1 00:00:32,850 --> 00:00:00,980 foreign 2 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:32,860 [Music] 3 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:35,450 [Applause] 4 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:50,030 foreign 5 00:00:50,040 --> 00:01:05,810 [Music] 6 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:12,640 foreign 7 00:01:12,650 --> 00:01:39,429 [Music] 8 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:43,010 yes hello and from the Great American 9 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:44,640 Northeast I've been you all good evening 10 00:01:47,929 --> 00:01:46,380 good morning good afternoon wherever you 11 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:47,939 may be Across the Nation around the 12 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:50,280 world my name is Leah Prime and this is 13 00:01:53,929 --> 00:01:52,380 the invisible night school for those of 14 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:53,939 you just joining us the invisible night 15 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:55,619 school is a small Consortium of Lee 16 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:57,540 researchers and Scholars pursuing the 17 00:02:01,609 --> 00:01:58,740 study and exploration of high 18 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:01,619 strangeness ins is not a monolith we 19 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:03,360 represent varied ideas backgrounds 20 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:05,700 disciplines and experiences and seek to 21 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:07,320 engage in good faith dialogue with other 22 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:09,179 curious minds 23 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:11,280 tonight we'll be talking about DIY 24 00:02:15,890 --> 00:02:14,160 paranormal basically how to do woo at 25 00:02:17,930 --> 00:02:15,900 home we'll also touch on some of the 26 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:17,940 recent UFO whistleblower news at the 27 00:02:21,770 --> 00:02:19,980 start of the show in addition to my 28 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,780 lovely and Brilliant co-hosts I am 29 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:23,459 delighted to welcome Garrett Kelly as 30 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:25,680 tonight's guest Garrett is a sound 31 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:27,720 artist and multi-instrumentalist who's 32 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:29,940 been in way too many forgettable bands 33 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:32,280 the co-founder of low power FM radio 34 00:02:37,850 --> 00:02:34,160 station Hollow Earth radio 35 00:02:40,430 --> 00:02:37,860 khuhlp 1049 FM a software developer for 36 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:40,440 classic grunge Label sub-pop records and 37 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:42,840 all-around amateur reality larper oh God 38 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,040 I have to remember that for my 39 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:45,840 introduction it's perfect 40 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:47,640 Garrett graduated from Humboldt State 41 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:49,560 University in Northern California with a 42 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:51,180 degree in religious studies and is 43 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,860 especially interested in the ways in 44 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:54,959 which paranormal investigation dovetails 45 00:02:59,089 --> 00:02:56,940 with Art Theater performance ritual 46 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:59,099 mythology and Technology 47 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:01,080 outside of developing the online liminal 48 00:03:05,089 --> 00:03:03,180 Earth map of worldwide paranormal 49 00:03:06,589 --> 00:03:05,099 experiences they're interested in 50 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:06,599 building new tools for interacting with 51 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:08,640 mysterious phenomena for instance 52 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:10,260 Garrett made a homemade ham radio 53 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:11,940 antenna for interacting with the Black 54 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:13,500 Knight satellite in other aerial 55 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:15,239 entities as well as new kinds of spirit 56 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:18,300 boxes that are able to utilize any sort 57 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:21,599 of raw sound not just am or FM dial this 58 00:03:26,089 --> 00:03:23,300 includes the entire ripped audio from 59 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:26,099 Ghostbusters Mac and Me the Ewoks 60 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:28,560 adventures and or Rodney Dangerfield 61 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:30,540 stand-up routines fantastic you're 62 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:32,159 covering the whole spectrum of cultural 63 00:03:38,089 --> 00:03:35,099 artifacts Garrett lives in uh Bremerton 64 00:03:40,009 --> 00:03:38,099 Washington on the Kitsap Peninsula and 65 00:03:41,330 --> 00:03:40,019 is always on the search to uncover The 66 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:41,340 Mystery of the giant shrimp in the 67 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:43,080 laundry room the town's hyper local 68 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:45,780 Cryptid first scene in 1948 that is 69 00:03:49,789 --> 00:03:48,360 quite an introduction for Garrett 70 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:49,799 um before bringing him on to the stream 71 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:51,959 uh of course I'd also like to welcome my 72 00:03:55,970 --> 00:03:54,540 co-hosts I have uh the inimitable Nick 73 00:03:59,210 --> 00:03:55,980 hello 74 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:04,869 a Campbell 75 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:07,970 and then also uh you know I would say at 76 00:04:13,309 --> 00:04:09,840 this point uh effectively adjuncts 77 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:13,319 faculty member Jay shank jhoria hey good 78 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,760 can we get a little um next time I'm on 79 00:04:20,110 --> 00:04:16,919 like a ding when I smile on like a star 80 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:20,120 thing all right thanks 81 00:04:23,629 --> 00:04:22,320 I need to get someone like a production 82 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:23,639 intern here 83 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:31,310 um and without any further delay I'd 84 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:33,300 love to welcome on Garrett Kelly 85 00:04:45,530 --> 00:04:40,730 did you say Garrett worked for sub pop 86 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:49,189 I'm new to myself 87 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:51,890 yes I do I work uh I do like the website 88 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:54,240 Tech stuff and support 89 00:04:58,210 --> 00:04:55,680 that's really cool 90 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:58,220 yeah it's pretty cool 91 00:05:03,409 --> 00:05:01,440 do we want to get this UFO stuff out of 92 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:03,419 the way and then actually get into it 93 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:04,919 it's like ripping off a Band-Aid let's 94 00:05:10,189 --> 00:05:07,460 do the painful stuff first 95 00:05:13,249 --> 00:05:10,199 closure it definitely happened things 96 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:13,259 have been disclosed what do we think 97 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:15,540 um it is the um the only thing I could 98 00:05:23,830 --> 00:05:17,340 liken it too it is the Canadian 99 00:05:27,890 --> 00:05:26,450 Calgary with my parents I met this girl 100 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,900 and you know she's like my girlfriend 101 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:29,280 and she lives you know she lives in 102 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:30,900 Calgary and like you guys don't know her 103 00:05:36,409 --> 00:05:32,880 because she's from Canada and like a guy 104 00:05:37,730 --> 00:05:36,419 told it's like a guy told me that we 105 00:05:40,610 --> 00:05:37,740 have stuff 106 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:40,620 and also the guy that's telling us like 107 00:05:49,749 --> 00:05:42,840 the guy that's telling us is an 108 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:52,249 for the record I'd personally and like 109 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:54,720 this is this is um some rhetoric that's 110 00:06:01,129 --> 00:05:56,880 getting uh passed around I don't think 111 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:01,139 he's lying I think he uh David grush I 112 00:06:07,129 --> 00:06:03,240 think Rush is that he said 113 00:06:10,129 --> 00:06:07,139 I I can completely believe that he 100 114 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:10,139 believes the things he's talking about 115 00:06:16,370 --> 00:06:12,900 um from what I understand he was part of 116 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:16,380 the uh uaptf UAP task force 117 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:18,000 um I believe he was assigned to that he 118 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:20,400 didn't sign up and um 119 00:06:25,249 --> 00:06:22,440 I'm wondering if maybe 120 00:06:26,749 --> 00:06:25,259 his name got out from that because it 121 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:26,759 really seems like from what I'm seeing 122 00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:28,080 all over Twitter today and talking to 123 00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:29,039 people 124 00:06:37,309 --> 00:06:33,720 he's talked to nap and Corbell he's 125 00:06:39,230 --> 00:06:37,319 talked to Greer apparently uh he's maybe 126 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:39,240 talked to Joe mergia I don't know if 127 00:06:44,210 --> 00:06:42,300 that's true uh Eric Davis he's talked to 128 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:44,220 a lot of people and we know that 129 00:06:47,330 --> 00:06:45,600 elizondo's been talking to him for a 130 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:47,340 couple yeah Elizondo and I mean we know 131 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:50,220 that uh a lot of these people 132 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:52,860 um particularly Eric Eric Davis who's uh 133 00:06:57,529 --> 00:06:54,780 has to do the air the the David Wilson 134 00:07:00,590 --> 00:06:57,539 Davis notes right they fully believe 135 00:07:02,870 --> 00:07:00,600 that too I just wonder if that is the 136 00:07:05,809 --> 00:07:02,880 information he's been given you know all 137 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:05,819 like the stuff we all already kind of 138 00:07:09,409 --> 00:07:07,139 know about and wonder about and I wonder 139 00:07:12,469 --> 00:07:09,419 if that's what he's bringing if you 140 00:07:14,749 --> 00:07:12,479 could graph my confidence with each name 141 00:07:17,890 --> 00:07:14,759 you said it like would have taken like a 142 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:17,900 25 Spike into now or in negative numbers 143 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:20,880 yeah I I am with you there I'm trying 144 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:22,500 I'm just trying to be fair to everybody 145 00:07:27,589 --> 00:07:24,840 to present the story 146 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:27,599 I don't think that there are 147 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:31,020 bodies or recovered E.T or nhi craft at 148 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:33,840 all but you know like we'll we'll see I 149 00:07:36,830 --> 00:07:35,039 mean like if something comes out of this 150 00:07:38,809 --> 00:07:36,840 I mean this really seems like a media 151 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:38,819 blitz to me so I don't know when we'll 152 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:41,280 actually get to anything like worth 153 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:42,720 because I mean there's barely anything 154 00:07:47,809 --> 00:07:45,840 worth discussing yet right yeah well it 155 00:07:50,029 --> 00:07:47,819 seemed pretty intriguing uh at the start 156 00:07:52,909 --> 00:07:50,039 like my eyebrows went up when I started 157 00:07:56,570 --> 00:07:52,919 uh reading about it and uh I mean we all 158 00:07:58,490 --> 00:07:56,580 would like it I think to be true I think 159 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,500 we would like that like Mick West said 160 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:00,960 uh he was interviewed by Chris Cuomo on 161 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:04,080 the same channel their uh news Nation I 162 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:05,220 guess that's what Cuomo's been up to 163 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:07,979 since he got fired um and uh Mick was 164 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:09,180 said you know I'll be great if this was 165 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:10,020 true 166 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:12,060 um you know it'd be really cool and so 167 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:14,220 what starts out with uh once again 168 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:15,900 always it seems that it looks really 169 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:17,400 good right so we have two New York 170 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:19,160 former New York Times journalists 171 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:21,180 interviewing a very high level 172 00:08:25,369 --> 00:08:22,860 intelligence officer who has worked 173 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:25,379 directly with the UFO subject uh this 174 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:29,280 guy presents that there is a UFO crash 175 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:31,640 recovery program in the U.S government 176 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:33,260 has 177 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:36,240 exotic non-human technology in its 178 00:08:40,790 --> 00:08:38,820 possession is the claim um he then on uh 179 00:08:42,529 --> 00:08:40,800 face-to-face interviews is saying that 180 00:08:44,449 --> 00:08:42,539 they actually have bodies and a number 181 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:44,459 of other things that he was asked by 182 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:47,100 Ross Coulthard uh the investigative 183 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:49,260 journalist uh retired now I guess but um 184 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:51,360 he asked him uh what is your confidence 185 00:08:56,990 --> 00:08:53,940 level he said 100 and 186 00:08:58,910 --> 00:08:57,000 since then uh we've seen some issues 187 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:58,920 arise there's a lot of stuff about how 188 00:09:02,090 --> 00:09:00,720 he's been saying that I've been I 189 00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:02,100 haven't seen any of this stuff directly 190 00:09:05,389 --> 00:09:03,600 but I've been talking to people who have 191 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,399 high level people and then when you 192 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:07,440 start looking at people who he seemingly 193 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:09,600 has been speaking to that's when it gets 194 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:11,339 really unfortunate at first I was hoping 195 00:09:14,449 --> 00:09:12,779 it's like he's saying oh high level 196 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:14,459 people this I was excited by the 197 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:16,200 prospect that maybe there are new names 198 00:09:20,269 --> 00:09:18,180 to people that aren't involved in sort 199 00:09:22,670 --> 00:09:20,279 of the UFO entertainment circuit but 200 00:09:24,829 --> 00:09:22,680 right it's the names are as you said 201 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:24,839 Nick it's a variety of people who've 202 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:26,339 been in this field for a long time a lot 203 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:28,380 of his language actually uh Dr Gary 204 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:30,180 Nolan gave that speech just a couple 205 00:09:34,190 --> 00:09:31,860 weeks ago at that Tech conference and he 206 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:34,200 so that's how yes thank you yeah and 207 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:35,760 there's uh he he's specifically talking 208 00:09:41,269 --> 00:09:38,580 about crash retrievals and confidence 209 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:41,279 100 was the exact language 210 00:09:45,829 --> 00:09:44,040 uh so I'm concerned that the people that 211 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:45,839 briefed him are not maybe the people 212 00:09:50,329 --> 00:09:47,700 that we would have liked and we don't 213 00:09:51,470 --> 00:09:50,339 know that yet but uh we'll have to wait 214 00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:51,480 and see without 215 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:53,519 um conferring an evaluation on the 216 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:57,480 accuracy of his story what I found 217 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:01,680 really interesting to witness is the 218 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:03,480 speed with which media Outlets have been 219 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:06,360 picking up this story this feels like it 220 00:10:10,550 --> 00:10:07,440 has 221 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:10,560 um it's it's like that classic irregor 222 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:13,980 situation where the media and popular 223 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:16,500 imagination is conferring more and more 224 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:18,420 importance on it so it's snowballing 225 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:21,060 yeah right um including I mean an 226 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,440 article I think in the guardian 227 00:10:27,949 --> 00:10:24,959 yesterday or today about 228 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:27,959 um urging the world Nations basically 229 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:30,420 urging the US to disclose what if 230 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:33,060 anything it knows on the subject right 231 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:34,980 in the guardian the guardian isn't a rag 232 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:38,580 like the Guardians yeah it's very legit 233 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:41,220 um so Snowden went to them but yeah one 234 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:43,620 right one one thing about this though 235 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:46,260 going going back to it was for some 236 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:48,899 reason I had like the neurons fired 237 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:51,720 today and I was thinking of uh Glen 238 00:10:57,889 --> 00:10:53,880 Campbell and the Groom Lake Desert Rat 239 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:57,899 and this is like old stuff for the 90s 240 00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:00,660 um yeah you know and going through some 241 00:11:03,889 --> 00:11:02,160 of that and I was I went on the way back 242 00:11:06,170 --> 00:11:03,899 machine because Glenn you know Glenn 243 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:06,180 passed a while back and his site is 244 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:08,579 finally off but it was going to back and 245 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:10,500 looking at that and it's like Glenn was 246 00:11:17,449 --> 00:11:14,720 on Larry King in the 90s with Greer 247 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:17,459 Glenn like again um I think what it was 248 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:19,980 was John Tenney posted the uh the Time 249 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,500 Magazine with the gray on it where yeah 250 00:11:27,829 --> 00:11:24,240 yeah yeah the 50th anniversary of 251 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:27,839 Roswell so I feel like the media this is 252 00:11:33,470 --> 00:11:30,600 like a uh there's a media cycle of this 253 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:33,480 too yeah like it goes and we haven't we 254 00:11:38,509 --> 00:11:36,060 had it you know announced in 2017 and 255 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:38,519 we're we're cycling towards it I think 256 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:40,500 the difference in the last cycle was 257 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:42,360 that there were um 258 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:45,480 more popular media shows because one of 259 00:11:49,130 --> 00:11:47,820 the um one of the things again I'm 260 00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:49,140 disappointed that this wasn't in the 261 00:11:54,769 --> 00:11:52,079 Corbell doc I forgot about it was the uh 262 00:11:57,290 --> 00:11:54,779 Bob Lazar Steven Seagal connection that 263 00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:57,300 comes up in uh Groom Lake Desert Rat 264 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:58,560 yeah 265 00:12:02,750 --> 00:12:00,420 um supposedly one of the other one of 266 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,760 other Bob's other stories was that he 267 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:04,680 was going to work on a movie about Area 268 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:07,440 51 with Steven Seagal back when Steven 269 00:12:14,930 --> 00:12:09,480 Seagal was like somewhat of a legitimate 270 00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:14,940 action star and you know if we hadn't if 271 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:18,060 we had an X-Files and I think one of the 272 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:20,040 things that was really driving hype that 273 00:12:24,769 --> 00:12:22,260 I noticed a recurring thing in Desert 274 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:24,779 Rat was the movie Independence Day 275 00:12:33,889 --> 00:12:25,380 um 276 00:12:37,009 --> 00:12:33,899 I mean like UFO has been UFOs have been 277 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:37,019 in pop culture continuously for all 278 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:38,760 everyone on this Show's entire lives 279 00:12:43,970 --> 00:12:40,860 they're just not as hot right now though 280 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:43,980 yeah but we don't have um 281 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:46,200 Ebbs and flows like that but I mean like 282 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:48,600 all throughout the 90s because of things 283 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:50,760 like X-Files and then yeah you know the 284 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:52,320 True Crime stuff Unsolved Mysteries 285 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:53,639 sightings 286 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:56,040 um the alien autopsy uh Phoenix lights 287 00:12:58,910 --> 00:12:57,720 and stuff I want to push back on that 288 00:13:00,410 --> 00:12:58,920 though because UFOs are definitely 289 00:13:02,269 --> 00:13:00,420 becoming something of a hot subject 290 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:02,279 among a very particular demographic 291 00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:04,200 which is like basically the alt-right 292 00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:06,600 Talking Heads right Tucker Carlson Matt 293 00:13:11,629 --> 00:13:08,639 Walsh just did a whole video talking 294 00:13:16,250 --> 00:13:11,639 about this this is again being co-opted 295 00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:16,260 by like the conspiranoia uh branch of 296 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:18,959 American pop Politics the right wing or 297 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:20,700 the The Front Runners of the post-truth 298 00:13:25,449 --> 00:13:23,160 movement so I mean it exactly it makes 299 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:27,769 that's not to say anything to anyone who 300 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:29,760 has these beliefs or anything it is kind 301 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:31,380 of um you understand how I could call it 302 00:13:35,150 --> 00:13:33,360 post truth because you know our 303 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:35,160 Christmas reality is that there are 304 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:36,540 non-aliens visiting us and the 305 00:13:40,850 --> 00:13:38,820 government is not covering them up like 306 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:40,860 that can be true and I could still I 307 00:13:44,509 --> 00:13:42,600 think describe it that way 308 00:13:46,009 --> 00:13:44,519 yeah and uh I mean it's kind of 309 00:13:48,290 --> 00:13:46,019 interesting because this whole thing is 310 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:48,300 uh alleging a major conspiracy and we 311 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,560 know there are always conspiracies 312 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:50,880 occurring within the government I mean 313 00:13:54,769 --> 00:13:52,860 it's just a fact of the National 314 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,779 Security State and it's a you know not 315 00:13:58,850 --> 00:13:56,880 valid uh purpose as to conceal 316 00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:58,860 information to uh work uh behind the 317 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,839 scenes and all that stuff but uh it's 318 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:02,639 interesting to be alleging a conspiracy 319 00:14:08,269 --> 00:14:05,940 and uh they're it's all the familiar 320 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,279 faces uh behind the scenes on this one 321 00:14:13,009 --> 00:14:10,560 so um maybe there's a bit of irony there 322 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:13,019 or something if uh if all of these folks 323 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:14,700 are the ones talking to each other 324 00:14:20,449 --> 00:14:17,100 behind the scenes and the language has 325 00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:20,459 been around grooming well is what Bender 326 00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:24,060 said uh journalist and uh Greer uh what 327 00:14:29,449 --> 00:14:26,820 did he say he said uh mentoring uh yeah 328 00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:29,459 so so there's something uh troubling 329 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:31,920 occurring here behind I I've seen this 330 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:34,560 whole event referred to as a reboot of 331 00:14:38,269 --> 00:14:37,079 2017 and there are obviously parallels 332 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:38,279 what do you what do you all think of 333 00:14:42,110 --> 00:14:39,000 that 334 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,120 there's been a real uh Nexus of things 335 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:44,040 happening in the last month and I think 336 00:14:47,810 --> 00:14:45,600 that there's something going on there Dr 337 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,820 Gary Nolan coming up with that speech 338 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:50,160 Chris Mellon uh put out that article 339 00:14:55,009 --> 00:14:52,560 that was quite popular uh now we have 340 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,019 this uh Eric Davis has come out of the 341 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:57,360 woodwork on Facebook sort of hyping this 342 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,279 talking about on Facebook seemingly 343 00:15:06,650 --> 00:15:04,320 the screenshot to the Facebook I'm just 344 00:15:09,949 --> 00:15:06,660 like what's going on yeah so this is 345 00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:09,959 what I'm going to say about it tonight 346 00:15:15,650 --> 00:15:13,199 it's far better to be like our guest 347 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:15,660 Garrett and build an antenna and go 348 00:15:20,889 --> 00:15:17,519 looking for UFOs yourself than it is to 349 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:20,899 wait for disclosure yes 350 00:15:27,949 --> 00:15:24,690 that's my beautiful segue yeah 351 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:27,959 [Laughter] 352 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:29,639 I actually made a tick tock about this 353 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,339 but the last time this happened uh 354 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:34,320 thinking about talking about how 355 00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:36,660 being on Tick Tock 356 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:38,160 um it's all these people like dancing 357 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,079 and having fun and doing weird videos 358 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:42,959 and then like other people caught on 359 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,380 like and I saw like John Travolta trying 360 00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:48,480 to sell me something you know and it 361 00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:50,940 like killed the mood and I I feel like 362 00:15:56,269 --> 00:15:53,699 there's a relation like I have fun with 363 00:15:58,430 --> 00:15:56,279 UFOs by like baking them cookies and 364 00:16:00,889 --> 00:15:58,440 like you know like doing all these like 365 00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:00,899 weird experiments and that's a totally 366 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,699 different world than 367 00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:04,800 some of this other stuff I just don't oh 368 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:07,019 yeah I don't seem I don't follow any of 369 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:09,300 this the like kind of disclosure stuff 370 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:11,760 at all because it's like well it's fine 371 00:16:15,889 --> 00:16:13,380 if people want to do that this is not my 372 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:15,899 not my scene at all and I appreciate 373 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:18,540 people wanting to do it it's fine it's a 374 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:21,260 mind virus yeah 375 00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:22,980 one thing 376 00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:26,279 also didn't touch on was Chris melon's 377 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:27,720 op-ed 378 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,220 I didn't even read that 379 00:16:34,850 --> 00:16:31,920 but I believe that that it it did refer 380 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:34,860 to uh press retrievals though right yep 381 00:16:38,749 --> 00:16:37,380 yeah interesting one of the one of the 382 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,759 things you just said Leah though about 383 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:40,680 it being a mind virus and this is kind 384 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:41,880 of this is something I've been thinking 385 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:43,980 about a lot 386 00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,620 um after this past weekend too with uh 387 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:48,959 our overall because one of the things I 388 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:51,300 I love with Garrett and liminal Earth is 389 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:52,980 the overall 390 00:16:57,470 --> 00:16:54,600 um 391 00:17:00,650 --> 00:16:57,480 kind of the mindset of interacting with 392 00:17:02,749 --> 00:17:00,660 the Paranormal because the like UFO 393 00:17:04,189 --> 00:17:02,759 conspiracy mindset on Twitter is a mind 394 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:04,199 virus and there are a lot of weird 395 00:17:07,329 --> 00:17:05,699 people on there and some of them seem 396 00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:07,339 like borderline dangerous and crazy 397 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:11,339 another thing that I so this weekend I 398 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,220 went to a uh a cryptic convention 399 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:15,839 because it was local I don't get to you 400 00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,740 know there's not a whole lot of stuff 401 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:18,240 that's in Ohio but a small town 402 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:22,020 Monster's monster Fest was there and I 403 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:23,520 don't want to call these people out by 404 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:26,220 name there's a sponsor there who are 405 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:28,199 their Cryptid investigators and they go 406 00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:30,240 out in the woods at night and look for 407 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:32,100 stuff but I watch a couple of their 408 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,500 videos because they their table and this 409 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:36,000 is kind of tangentially related they had 410 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:37,380 all the gear they had all the convert 411 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:39,900 the commercial toys like elves stuff you 412 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,940 can buy and everything that they 413 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:44,160 encountered they went out with like this 414 00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:46,440 real sense of fear that they're going 415 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,500 out in the woods at night there are like 416 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:52,080 hostile creatures getting them there's 417 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,260 dark Forces there's evil cultists like 418 00:18:00,590 --> 00:17:57,960 everything that is a manifestation of 419 00:18:04,970 --> 00:18:00,600 the Paranormal skews to the like the 420 00:18:07,970 --> 00:18:04,980 Demonic or like the the scary and there 421 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:07,980 and to me the two of them spent like 90 422 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:09,960 minutes like freaking each other out on 423 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:11,160 their videos 424 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:13,020 and I'm a little concerned because 425 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:15,000 you're also like we have guns and I'm 426 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,980 like well don't freak out and like pop 427 00:18:20,289 --> 00:18:18,720 like somebody or like don't shoot 428 00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,299 yourself in the foot 429 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:22,799 I mean like I because I will say like 430 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,720 you know like the woods is scary at 431 00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:26,400 night especially these people it's like 432 00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:28,440 we're self-taught Outdoors man I'm kind 433 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,919 of I'm a little bit well if you go out 434 00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:33,360 and hang out like there's a difference 435 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:34,799 again because I know like you're you 436 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:36,360 hang out in your backyard a lot I hang 437 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,760 out in my backyard a lot at night there 438 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:40,799 are Critters that pass through but 439 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:43,080 you'll be like I hear something in the 440 00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:44,940 brush you know in the brushes and it's 441 00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:48,120 like it is a raccoon it is not 442 00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:51,720 um Supernatural evil about to devour you 443 00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:54,600 although since it is a raccoon if you 444 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:56,280 would share some of whatever snack 445 00:19:02,029 --> 00:18:59,100 you're having you know that would be 446 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:02,039 greatly appreciated as I smell I smoke 447 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,660 you got some uh 448 00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:05,520 peanut butter cookies here are going but 449 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:07,919 you know it's and it's just some of the 450 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:11,039 mindset that I think um going into this 451 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:12,360 like 452 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,400 for lack of a better word um fun 453 00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,039 lightheartedness a little Joy wanting to 454 00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:24,960 interact with the phenomenon in a Joyful 455 00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:25,940 Way 456 00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:29,039 kind of ties into some of the DIY stuff 457 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:31,620 that we've both done 458 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,440 you know am I right Garrett 459 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:36,960 yeah I mean that's the my that's the 460 00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:40,620 mindset I'm coming from definitely 461 00:19:45,169 --> 00:19:43,620 um not to say that I worry about that so 462 00:19:47,450 --> 00:19:45,179 sometimes because I know people do have 463 00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:47,460 the terrifying experiences and I don't 464 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:50,640 want to make light of those or like or 465 00:19:55,789 --> 00:19:52,860 because sometimes I'm on the fence of it 466 00:19:58,970 --> 00:19:55,799 be for me a lot of what I do is kind of 467 00:20:01,610 --> 00:19:58,980 imaginal or like right on the line of 468 00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:01,620 like play or something you know and like 469 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:02,520 kind of 470 00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,340 imagine you know imagination play that 471 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,200 sometimes has like weird things happen 472 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:09,660 you know even when I know I'm 473 00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:12,240 starting out kind of as a joke but then 474 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:14,820 like weird stuff ends up happening but 475 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,740 so I just don't want to yeah I get 476 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:19,200 nervous sometimes like discret feeling 477 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:20,340 like I'm 478 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,440 being too silly about it but I think it 479 00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:24,720 is like a good way to go into it instead 480 00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,460 of like you know the Ghost Hunters going 481 00:20:31,549 --> 00:20:28,799 in there with like as like a SWAT team 482 00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:31,559 or you know it's just not my vibe at all 483 00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:34,500 I don't I I think sometimes be go in at 484 00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,160 that mindset and you'll get a response 485 00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:40,980 that matches so 486 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:43,980 Garrett have you uh personally had any 487 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,960 remarkable experiences that you'd be 488 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:47,760 willing to sort of start us off with 489 00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:50,160 share uh just so we can get a sense of 490 00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:58,250 um yeah I mean 491 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,120 I've had a couple that are kind of 492 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,460 they're mine like one time I did see 493 00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,280 this is more like I saw I was cooking 494 00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:07,559 and I saw something in the corner of my 495 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,419 eye looking at me and I turned and it 496 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:12,480 looked like me for a brief moment this 497 00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:13,980 thing that looked like me looking at 498 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:15,620 myself 499 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:18,900 yeah that was freaky that was that was 500 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,039 like 20 years ago uh that was terrifying 501 00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,720 um recently this thing that happened to 502 00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:26,400 me that I think it's really weird and 503 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,140 it's like this thing I 504 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:30,600 saying like is this I stood out as kind 505 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,620 of a joke 506 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:34,320 I found this uh phone booth in a parking 507 00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,020 abandoned parking lot and I picked it up 508 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:39,000 and uh you know I'm really inspired by 509 00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,400 time travel stuff and 510 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:43,799 um I've made a time travel Museum before 511 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,200 so I picked it up and I was like if 512 00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:49,760 there's any like entities or uh you know 513 00:21:54,169 --> 00:21:51,900 Supernatural beans you want to make a 514 00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:54,179 connection with me I'm I'm you know I'm 515 00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:56,220 here to answer your call I'm gonna 516 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:58,020 respond to you 517 00:22:03,350 --> 00:21:59,700 um or I'm waiting for your 518 00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:03,360 your message and I hung up and then a 519 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:05,340 couple like two weeks later I was with a 520 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,140 friend in the cemetery we were doing 521 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,020 like spooky Estes method stuff and 522 00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:12,840 there's things in the in the forest 523 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,980 around us you know probably just 524 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:15,360 raccoons but we were freaking each other 525 00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:16,200 out 526 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:19,620 and the next the next morning 527 00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:21,960 someone on Twitter that I know wrote to 528 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,100 me and she said 529 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:25,440 uh Garrett I had a dream about you last 530 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:26,820 night 531 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:29,700 um and I I don't know her that well and 532 00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,220 and she said um 533 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,380 I was driving through a cemetery and I 534 00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:36,960 came over to your house and I was 535 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,480 feeling sick so you put a sheet over my 536 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,460 head and I couldn't see anything 537 00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:43,200 and then he put these headphones on my 538 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,820 ears and they were making all this noise 539 00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:46,260 and you were trying to talk to me 540 00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:48,179 through the headphones 541 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:51,539 and I was like what like it really felt 542 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,600 like something was telling me like I saw 543 00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,880 you in this Terry this is what you were 544 00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,500 doing and I'm gonna send the message 545 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:00,900 back to you the The Voice failed the 546 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:02,760 Astro voicemail from that phone booth 547 00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:05,640 through this person to let me know that 548 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:07,320 they could see me and could respond to 549 00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:08,940 me this way 550 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,220 um yes because I have no idea how this 551 00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,200 person would know I was doing those 552 00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,240 things like she was her dream emulated 553 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,559 what I was doing 554 00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:18,780 so anyway that was just a weird thing 555 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:21,240 that I could not explain 556 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,860 um 557 00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:24,840 yeah and at the time I was doing this 558 00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:26,520 like weird Tick Tock experiment where I 559 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,740 was having people meet in their dreams 560 00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:31,140 at this abandoned park by my house to 561 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:33,780 find this object there and so all these 562 00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:37,080 people were dreaming about me uh I like 563 00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:39,179 saying they like saw me in the park they 564 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:40,860 saw my shadow stuff and I was trying to 565 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,320 eat their soul or something 566 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:46,080 but uh uh so like already she wrote to 567 00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:47,220 me she was like I had to dream of like 568 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,299 oh yeah a lot of people have dreams 569 00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,580 about me now and then she told me 570 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:52,200 everything I had done the day before 571 00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:56,400 that I had no way it was so freaky 572 00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,440 so yeah that's kind of where I go I 573 00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,480 guess it's just like leaning into like 574 00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,100 playing with it 575 00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:04,380 and like 576 00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,299 um and then just 577 00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,580 you know storytelling kind of like 578 00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,679 building the pieces kind of like 579 00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:12,539 creating meaning out of what's Happening 580 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,480 like to me that is super fulfilling and 581 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:17,460 I don't need it to be real or not real 582 00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,260 I'm okay with it being kind of in 583 00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,360 between that's fine with me 584 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,159 um that's my perspective on it but I 585 00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,720 know some people want like 586 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,000 hard facts and everything that's that's 587 00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:29,700 not really my my jam 588 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,600 foreign 589 00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,880 I don't care about debunking people or 590 00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:34,260 unless they're freaking out like 591 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:36,419 sometimes they do but 592 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:38,340 sure 593 00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,380 yeah I kind of like when I was watching 594 00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,179 those videos like I don't want to debunk 595 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,400 this but I want you guys to calm down 596 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,679 and not just like freak yourself out in 597 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,720 the woods like really bad with stuff and 598 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,000 it's kind of like 599 00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,559 um 600 00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,600 I think though 601 00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:56,760 um you know I think that that's what you 602 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,100 just said is an important 603 00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:01,200 um distinction though that there are a 604 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,059 lot of people um there is like a micro 605 00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:05,580 industry of buying paranormal 606 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:09,179 investigation here now and going out and 607 00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,460 and using it and at some point like one 608 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,380 of the things you know 609 00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,880 um we just like we've made some 610 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,679 decisions about like doing these things 611 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,480 and they've sort of become ritualized 612 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:20,460 and people do them 613 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,460 um I don't think it's uh necessarily 614 00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:28,260 I don't think anybody's going to buy an 615 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,080 EMF meter and go like be like prove 616 00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:33,480 something I know people have that idea 617 00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,220 and I think like a lot of people like 618 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:37,559 we're going to catch it 619 00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,200 um but I do think like the experience of 620 00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:42,600 interacting with it is important and 621 00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:45,059 kind of even with what what 622 00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:46,620 um I think the like the most 623 00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,059 controversial thing I would have to say 624 00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,460 tiny but Garrett says is it it doesn't 625 00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,919 matter if it's like quote unquote real 626 00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:54,419 or not because you're still having 627 00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:58,860 experience and if you take that like a 628 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,740 step farther and go into 629 00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:02,640 um 630 00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:04,820 thinking about it a little bit like 631 00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,380 philosophically if it's having an effect 632 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,120 if it is producing like an experience 633 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,760 like it doesn't matter it's a IV thing 634 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,679 to sort of in the in this now is 635 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,380 effectively real 636 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,940 for lack of a better way to put it like 637 00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:20,159 some people would say like it's 638 00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:22,679 psychological purely psychological you 639 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:24,779 know it's just you're if you're doing 640 00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:27,240 tarot or you're doing the Spirit box or 641 00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,679 you're doing that you're Plumbing the 642 00:26:32,409 --> 00:26:30,360 depths of yourself some people would say 643 00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:32,419 You're really interacting with an extra 644 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,419 dimension of reality you know I don't 645 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,340 think it matters actually 646 00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:40,140 I think it's interesting to play with 647 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,779 yourself and try to but 648 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,520 um I think it's important to like do it 649 00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:47,279 and have the experiences and 650 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,620 um oh sorry I was gonna say and for me 651 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,360 part of that is like making the stuff 652 00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:52,799 too 653 00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,740 not just being like I'm gonna 654 00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:57,419 um like 655 00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,460 buy the thing and try to do it although 656 00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:01,679 for me also like I did start out like 657 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:03,179 that and I'm like a lot of this stuff is 658 00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,400 really expensive and when I got into 659 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,620 Electronics I'm like oh you know you can 660 00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:10,740 do this like a lot cheaper if you learn 661 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,179 some basic electronics and get a 662 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,100 soldering iron 663 00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:16,380 what's the little recorder that they use 664 00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:19,740 that for EVPs it's like super expensive 665 00:27:26,029 --> 00:27:23,340 the tr60 yeah it's like 666 00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:26,039 ridiculous like that inspired Jeremy and 667 00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:27,960 I make this like system for doing 668 00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:30,600 divination that you just use like rocks 669 00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:33,299 and nuts and berries that you find like 670 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,919 you don't like you don't literally do 671 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,679 not need to buy anything to do it 672 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,360 um because it's so to me that's so 673 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,880 ridiculous that just I mean and like you 674 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,320 said there's like this folklore around 675 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,320 it it has like this meaning but like I 676 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:47,880 really want to make things that are like 677 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,220 accessible and cheat for people 678 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,799 and literally just use what's around you 679 00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:55,260 is the ideal 680 00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,900 I think the dr60 thing is a good example 681 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,840 of of kind of how I look at it so for 682 00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:03,000 the people that don't know the Panasonic 683 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,679 dr60 was the first digital voice 684 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:05,880 recorder 685 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:08,580 ever was the first one to record on on 686 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,000 memory and a lot of people had issues 687 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,580 with them uh they would hear voices that 688 00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,760 like were in there and I think a lot of 689 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:19,559 them people like tossed them people send 690 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,240 them back to Panasonic like a few 691 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:22,980 Panasonic will but you send them in and 692 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,980 get the um the next model 693 00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:28,440 that you know if you're like a doctor or 694 00:28:34,570 --> 00:28:30,539 a physician or something yeah you're not 695 00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:34,580 haunted one because I wanted to and 696 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,059 they've become a um Ivy than this like 697 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:41,400 like it's using a Miss folklore they're 698 00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,500 totemic they're like an object of power 699 00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:45,659 and they're about six thousand dollars a 700 00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:48,659 pop out of eBay oh wow oh my God this is 701 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,100 like one of the things though for 702 00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,220 understanding and the mindset so like if 703 00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,159 you want to buy one to scientifically 704 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,039 like you're you're scientifically minded 705 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,840 Paranormal Investigator you want to do 706 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,419 EVPs this is the worst money you can 707 00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,539 spend your money on like and there's a 708 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,520 there's a site a paranormal site that's 709 00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:10,500 got a really weird name higgy pop and 710 00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,620 somebody on there did a that knows way 711 00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,539 more about it than me actually like did 712 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,340 like a like a tear down I looked at the 713 00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,720 components and they're like I can tell 714 00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:21,419 you why you get voices on this and it is 715 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,260 like Hardware like engineering issues 716 00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,120 that they had because this is like the 717 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:28,919 first thing of its kind and this is like 718 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,320 what they fixed on the second one if you 719 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,600 wanted to have like I'm gonna have a 720 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,820 magic voice recorder and go have like 721 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,860 adventures with my magic voice recorder 722 00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:40,320 I would say if if you have it's six 723 00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,120 thousand dollars is like throwaway money 724 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:44,399 for you maybe do it you could still have 725 00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,500 you could still be like buy the next 726 00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:48,539 model and pretend it's a dr60 just like 727 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:50,100 scratch the I think the next one's like 728 00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:54,360 a dr60i scratch the eye off you know but 729 00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:57,659 it's it's the it's the method and it's a 730 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,159 weird thing because on one hand the 731 00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,720 scientifically minded people actually 732 00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:02,159 don't understand the science of the 733 00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:05,460 object they're using and it's like you 734 00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,080 might as well have you might as well 735 00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,299 have some fun with it take it and uh 736 00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:11,880 take it as a tool to have an experience 737 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:13,980 with whether than a tool to like 738 00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:16,980 objectively evaluate truth with it's 739 00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:19,380 it's the same stories with the uh the K2 740 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,460 meter 741 00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:22,380 um I think it goes by I think they they 742 00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,059 sell it as like the ghost meter on 743 00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:26,760 Amazon it's like it's a single ax EMF 744 00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,820 meter that like can be set off by like a 745 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,799 like a Bluetooth mouse and it's it's one 746 00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:33,779 access so you have to wave it in that 747 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,899 kind of pke meter thing but but like I 748 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,000 said nearly anything can trip this thing 749 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:41,880 off so if you were approaching it like 750 00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:44,820 Jay is suggesting oh my God 12 bucks 751 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,360 this is a kit I built these for people 752 00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,399 um you've got here it's got one these 753 00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:52,860 are great and you can actually go like 754 00:30:56,889 --> 00:30:55,080 like I calibrate I have a fluorescent 755 00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,899 light in my um 756 00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,460 kitchen I calibrate this off the 757 00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:01,679 fluorescent light well you're about yay 758 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,779 far it'll start going off that's not 759 00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:06,360 much like that's also how about gmf your 760 00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,860 fluorescent lights are going off so I 761 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:09,240 don't know if that's good for you but 762 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,140 anyway yeah don't well yeah 763 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,840 I don't know about that so I love this 764 00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,120 idea of bringing uh the Paranormal 765 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:20,399 experience like exploration induction 766 00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:23,640 just personal participation to an 767 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:25,080 accessible level of people it sort of 768 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,520 reminds me of Catholicism versus 769 00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:28,679 protestantism right with Catholicism you 770 00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,419 have the intermediary to connect with 771 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,700 the Divine whereas like in protestantism 772 00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,620 like you're able to directly connect 773 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,960 with the Divine and I think that making 774 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:38,880 or having these methodologies that 775 00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:41,940 people can access and build at home 776 00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,100 um I think it's really powerful it takes 777 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,779 these experiences from something that 778 00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,760 are witnessed or observed in others or 779 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,320 as forms of entertainment to something 780 00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,480 that can be experienced in a 781 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,640 participatory fashion 782 00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,500 um and an obligatory comment about how 783 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,299 like one of the shittiest artifacts of 784 00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:59,039 capitalism is this idea that in order to 785 00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,779 be into something you have to buy stuff 786 00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,120 right if you want to be a Ghostbuster or 787 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,799 you want to do this kind of stuff you 788 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:06,120 need to spend thousands of dollars on 789 00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:07,500 equipment but the reality is that like 790 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:09,000 all the all this is accessible to other 791 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:10,260 people 792 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:14,220 um at home for low or zero dollars this 793 00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,580 well how how do you uh YouTube beards 794 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,860 recommend that someone like Campbell or 795 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,320 and I uh kind of induce or interact with 796 00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:25,440 this but not me my Walnut says female 797 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,059 brain 798 00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:29,820 not asking you no 799 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:31,799 um I can talk to you all the time I 800 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:33,000 don't get to talk to these two very 801 00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:34,620 often 802 00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:36,899 but Campbell and I are 803 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,559 um 804 00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,360 what are we Skeptics I don't like to 805 00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,100 call myself a skeptic I like to say that 806 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:43,020 I'm a proponent of the psychosocial 807 00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:49,430 yeah sure you're as Captain there's 808 00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,020 connotations and all that stuff 809 00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:54,299 but yeah how would how would a person 810 00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:57,000 like me or Campbell go about doing this 811 00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,520 because I'm not opposed to having 812 00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,020 experiences like this or high strangers 813 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,080 or a numinous experience but you know in 814 00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:05,760 my past I haven't 815 00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,740 maybe I'm trying too hard or maybe I'm 816 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,299 looking too hard or maybe I'm trying to 817 00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,799 rationalize it 818 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,159 I mean I don't say on one hand I will 819 00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,620 say you can't guarantee you can't 820 00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:19,019 guarantee a numinous experience I think 821 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,919 like closest you can get are like one of 822 00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,480 the other aspects of this like there's 823 00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:26,100 the investigation aspect and then 824 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,960 there's like the psy like personal 825 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,419 development thing you could build one of 826 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:32,399 these you could build yourself a brain 827 00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,200 machine and it's hard to see because of 828 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,419 my background Garrett has one of these 829 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:37,740 as well 830 00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:43,789 said it's like getting geometry straight 831 00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:46,980 to your brain it's just I I view it as 832 00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:49,860 it's wild it's you will you want to 833 00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:51,480 hallucinate I can give you 834 00:33:56,769 --> 00:33:55,860 hallucinations like right here for about 835 00:34:01,330 --> 00:33:56,779 um 836 00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:03,649 because like one of the one of the other 837 00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,659 things is as as things are related 838 00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:09,359 um there is 839 00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,419 the like the PSI Development Area and 840 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,919 one of the one of the things that came 841 00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:15,599 out of that was 842 00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,379 um 843 00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,419 digitally induced 844 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,940 um Altered States Of Consciousness uh 845 00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:22,560 originally this comes out even though 846 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:24,119 there's a there's a William esperose 847 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,740 made a big aluminum looks like a big 848 00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,599 stove pipe with holes in it and you can 849 00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,960 put um put on a 78 RPM turntable if you 850 00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:32,159 could find one of those you could find 851 00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:34,139 one of those and Burrows had a much more 852 00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:36,119 easier than now it's got holes cutted 853 00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,859 you put a white in it and it revolves at 854 00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:40,619 a certain place and 855 00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:42,839 um you will hallucinate this type of 856 00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,540 technology is available I think one of 857 00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:47,339 the other things and I I feel like I 858 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,839 have two minds on this because I don't 859 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,300 want to like I'm never out to like hurt 860 00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:53,520 anybody's like business or stick anybody 861 00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,080 for their paper but this stuff is like 862 00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,300 commercially it's like 500 bucks 863 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,300 for what you know you this and this was 864 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,460 something that's open source uh Adafruit 865 00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,740 used to sell these disclaimer if you are 866 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,800 an epileptic or prone to seizures do not 867 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:13,200 I cannot do not any harder than that 868 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,060 right but I I downloaded this guy's CAD 869 00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:20,640 files for the for the PCB off of here 870 00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,980 this is like the best time because I 871 00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,720 think there was like an era where this 872 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,480 kind of weaned in the 90s but the maker 873 00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:29,400 movement has made making any of this 874 00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,619 crap on your own like super easy yeah 875 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,839 upload the files to any of the online 876 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,420 pcbs printers I used oish park because 877 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:38,820 they make uh like a it's like a midnight 878 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,060 purple PCB and I'm like sexy compared to 879 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,440 like green 880 00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,780 um you know looked up the stuff that I 881 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,560 needed uh on 882 00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:51,000 Mauser Amazon wherever you're going to 883 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,619 Source like I gotta you got a couple 884 00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,300 caps couple 885 00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:56,520 um couple resistors 886 00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,160 couple LEDs you need 887 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,160 um little 18 Mega microcontroller and 888 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,200 like for me the hump of this was 889 00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,480 learning how to program an ATM but 890 00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,339 there's a little controller you can get 891 00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,619 for that too and it's like a lot of 892 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,720 Googling and it's just like you spend a 893 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,820 couple bucks you you Google I would not 894 00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,040 recommend this as anybody's first solder 895 00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:19,500 project like there's some like really 896 00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:23,460 like weren't too sadness yeah that's 897 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:26,040 good for a solder project yeah that the 898 00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,420 the emfd the chief too yeah if not and 899 00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:31,920 I've never soldered anything in my life 900 00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:33,740 it's easy 901 00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:36,839 that this induces hallucinations or was 902 00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:40,380 that a joke no I'm not yeah what's the 903 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,460 mechanism yeah LED pulse yeah 904 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,980 yeah you close your eyes and these LEDs 905 00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:49,440 are blinking on your eyelids 906 00:37:03,580 --> 00:36:51,540 um and you have headphones on that so 907 00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:13,810 [Laughter] 908 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,490 I also made one of these and gave it to 909 00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:19,020 uh Vanessa Val Yuko who I know has been 910 00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,300 on the show find her Tick Tock and watch 911 00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:23,579 where she hits the hits the everybody 912 00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,099 it's not gentle one of the things I 913 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,619 wanted to do when I had more time was to 914 00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:30,720 go into the source code and kind of like 915 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,020 ramp it up rather than just like you 916 00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:36,240 know it's like one of those Rockets well 917 00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,800 you know when those right those carnival 918 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:39,480 rides where you're just on a thing and 919 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,700 they drop you it's like it's just like 920 00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,980 you're just in you are like what kind of 921 00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,720 hallucinations does it induce like 922 00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:47,940 altered Consciousness as well or is it 923 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,339 like a sensory input hallucination 924 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,560 sensory input hallucination I haven't 925 00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,960 done this yet this technology drugs are 926 00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,599 some of my last year getting getting 927 00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:01,200 punched by geometry is exactly what it 928 00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:01,920 is 929 00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,540 uh right on what I look at it when I do 930 00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,119 it I look I do it do two things with it 931 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,859 look at look at for two things on it 932 00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,020 number one I just kind of do it as a 933 00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:15,480 brain reset because it can be a little 934 00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:16,200 bit 935 00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:17,640 um it's intense and it can be a little 936 00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:19,619 bit overwhelming and it can just kind of 937 00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,040 like you know like neural annealing 938 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:24,960 that's a big reason psychedelic therapy 939 00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:27,660 brush yourself out I also look though 940 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,140 for patterns and symbols in the geometry 941 00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:34,440 that I can reproduce in art or just that 942 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:36,060 are interesting that might have meaning 943 00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,619 later 944 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,079 Jay you remember the Nintendo Virtual 945 00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:42,660 Boy right yeah when that was on display 946 00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,760 at Toys R Us I tried out the demo unit 947 00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,119 and I forgot about reality when I was 948 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,460 playing that thing so when I stood up I 949 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:52,800 had to like I had to completely reboot 950 00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:55,260 I'm like oh I'm in at Toys R Us I'm you 951 00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,200 know like it was wild so you just don't 952 00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,000 get those on eBay and you must be able 953 00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,280 to buy this probably I mean they're 954 00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,839 they're kind of cult collectors items 955 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:06,119 now yeah like I grew up without that 956 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:08,520 stuff but have very distinct memories of 957 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:12,560 the virtual boy being pretty impressive 958 00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:15,240 altered space perception and it's sort 959 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:17,160 of amazing you'll definitely have to 960 00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,040 recalibrate once the sequence ends it 961 00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:21,960 just also just chops off like it's just 962 00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,970 but the other thing like I would say 963 00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,599 like you know like one of the other 964 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:36,000 things would I know um Garrett was we 965 00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,619 were talking about all the Spirit Box 966 00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,900 stuff and that literally came from just 967 00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:42,119 like hanging out on Discord and being 968 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,839 like hey wouldn't it be cool if we 969 00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:48,660 because it was near the holidays and I 970 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:50,460 think somebody in the Discord we're in 971 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,960 was this is the liberal Earth Discord 972 00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:53,940 was mentioning 973 00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:55,859 um wanting to do as this method for 974 00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:58,740 Santa Claus and we were like nah that's 975 00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,619 been done like that's that's been done 976 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,320 and we're like what about the Estus 977 00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:06,480 method is a another uh Spirit Box 978 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:10,140 divination method okay where you have um 979 00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:12,060 can we take a step back do you remember 980 00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:16,760 this is the UFO crowd yeah yeah 981 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,619 talk to us uh Gary can you talk to us a 982 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,140 little bit about what Spirit boxes are 983 00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,540 yeah I think I mean they're just these 984 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,960 little radios basically they've been 985 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:30,180 uh you know messed with so that they 986 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:32,940 scan through the frequencies 987 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,780 um 988 00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,760 and like you just hear like little clips 989 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,160 of the the frequencies and I think you 990 00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,140 know some Ghost Hunters think that 991 00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:43,079 sometimes ghosts speak through that 992 00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,740 um 993 00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,440 and 994 00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:47,880 I was I've never been really impressed 995 00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,619 with that idea but I think it's 996 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,020 interesting lots of people use it and I 997 00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,540 for a while I was actually I found um I 998 00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:57,119 have a FDR which I don't know if you've 999 00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:58,440 ever heard of that before but it 1000 00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,060 basically you plug into your computer 1001 00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:02,160 and you can listen to the frequencies 1002 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,300 from like 30 megahertz to 1600 so 1003 00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:08,880 instead of just like the FM dial which 1004 00:41:14,349 --> 00:41:12,540 is like 80 to 108 you can listen to like 1005 00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,359 1600 1006 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,280 layers of bandwidth and I just thought 1007 00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:19,680 why are the spirits only talking on the 1008 00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:23,520 FM band you know why only there so like 1009 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:24,980 the mechanism 1010 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:28,800 yeah like so like I was like 1011 00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,320 instead I was like well I got an SDR I 1012 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,200 made an SDR well I found people had done 1013 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,720 this but like SDR ghost box so it uses 1014 00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,060 all of that so like you know marine 1015 00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,520 traffic and you know all kinds of things 1016 00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:44,640 yeah people's Wi-Fi or whatever 1017 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:48,720 um and so then then I'm like well what 1018 00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,480 really like what people do have weird 1019 00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:53,520 results when they do this they have 1020 00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,980 weird synchronicities or things happen 1021 00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:57,839 when they're doing this that they can't 1022 00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,180 really explain so like 1023 00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:02,160 is there can we just induce it other 1024 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,720 ways and that's why we started getting 1025 00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:05,880 and just like taking Rodney Dangerfield 1026 00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,700 and like cutting I'm something that cut 1027 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,280 up into little itty bitty pieces and 1028 00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:12,960 then shuffled randomly through those 1029 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,619 little files and you know sounds wild it 1030 00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,720 sounds super wild and people still you 1031 00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,220 can still hear 1032 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,839 things because there's that whole idea 1033 00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,760 of paradolia I don't know you know like 1034 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,000 the um 1035 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,320 people think that yeah people think that 1036 00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:31,200 that is a you know a way to debunk 1037 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,240 something that's you know often maybe it 1038 00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:35,640 is but I kind of like parallel and I 1039 00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,740 want to induce it and I like making 1040 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:40,800 machines that do it like that is I want 1041 00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,320 more paradolia machines 1042 00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:45,119 um because I think it's interesting what 1043 00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,359 it does to our brains and like and and 1044 00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:50,400 for the uh the the whole idea of like 1045 00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:52,020 telling stories and like what comes out 1046 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,119 of that I think there may be more there 1047 00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:56,579 like Taps into like some I don't know 1048 00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:58,859 the science behind it but like could tap 1049 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,079 into our intuition or subconscious or 1050 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,940 get some new states where we're maybe 1051 00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,520 feeling things that we you know are 1052 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:07,619 ignoring usually 1053 00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,300 um I don't know but it's kind of I like 1054 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,040 it because it's fun too so it doesn't 1055 00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,720 really matter if 1056 00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,400 and it's like that whole thing of does 1057 00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:16,680 it have a real effect or not so yeah 1058 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,599 right and you just use the Ghostbusters 1059 00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:21,000 to do the you know soundtrack to do that 1060 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,859 I don't know 1061 00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:25,680 maybe kind of indirectly answered my 1062 00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,460 question before is maybe you know 1063 00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:31,800 if I were to if I wanted to experience 1064 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,140 these things maybe I need to like 1065 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,200 really lean into it and psych myself up 1066 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,720 you know like spook myself out and try 1067 00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,040 to experience these things and like 1068 00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,720 really really lean into it and play it 1069 00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,579 and like like you said kind of induce 1070 00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:46,440 the paradolia and see where that takes 1071 00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,660 me you know 1072 00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920 hmm 1073 00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:51,839 oh don't go ahead 1074 00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:55,020 I lost my job I'm sorry 1075 00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,480 have you heard of the Philip experiment 1076 00:44:02,450 --> 00:43:59,940 uh a bit yeah 1077 00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:02,460 um kind of a Laboratory Ghost experiment 1078 00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:04,760 where they essentially created a ghost 1079 00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,040 right and then they and I think they had 1080 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,859 the best results when they actually did 1081 00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:13,920 it like a seance and they got into that 1082 00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:16,500 mindset of interest in being like a 1083 00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:18,780 spooky thing and then like weird things 1084 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,280 happened or they had results you know um 1085 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,200 which I think super powerful right it's 1086 00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:27,599 creating this container in which we all 1087 00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,359 are able to function and explore that is 1088 00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:32,700 deliberately separate from The Real 1089 00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:35,099 World or sort of Base reality I was 1090 00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,839 gonna say one of the things that's 1091 00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:38,640 important 1092 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:41,640 um with this kind of stuff is not to 1093 00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,780 dismiss the theatrical and dismiss the 1094 00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,720 art aspect of it and I think 1095 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,579 um you know this is again saying like 1096 00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,200 the difference between looking for like 1097 00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,900 laboratory proof in a parapsychological 1098 00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,339 lab 1099 00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,579 um going back once again it's it is 1100 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,859 trickster in the Paranormal time I bring 1101 00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,140 it up every up time I'm on but he talks 1102 00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,079 about how the theatrical like when 1103 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,119 you're doing a ritual like I'm the we're 1104 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,800 going to have a shamanistic ritual we're 1105 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,720 going to have a Magic Ritual and it's 1106 00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,640 like we're gonna put on masks and 1107 00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:18,240 costumes and pretend and we might like 1108 00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:21,060 like I might throw like a pinch of like 1109 00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:23,339 like pyrite dust into the fire so it 1110 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,060 goes and we're we're simulating magic 1111 00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:29,880 and we're simulating this but we're 1112 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,839 moving our minds into that thing where 1113 00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:35,760 we're instead of instead of now it's 1114 00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,700 like now it's time to me and this is 1115 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,940 another book I'm reading um it's I view 1116 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,040 the the way to approach all this is you 1117 00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,400 gotta dial now and you've got reason 1118 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,619 intuition feeling you know and you just 1119 00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:51,359 kind of you switch from that's like how 1120 00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:54,359 you switch your dial from reason to 1121 00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,859 feeling in it you know you go into 1122 00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,140 feeling through the start of the the 1123 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,599 ceremonial aspect or the thought that's 1124 00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,359 just the theatrical aspect of it and 1125 00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,339 then you end up in the the thing where 1126 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,800 you're now perceiving 1127 00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,359 intuitively and you're open to having 1128 00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,220 these kind of experiences through the 1129 00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,260 stuff what uh what other book are you 1130 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,900 reading Jay we're talking about uh but 1131 00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,640 this is always like I get my reading 1132 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,880 recommendations this is um this I like 1133 00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,859 to think of this guy now as the father 1134 00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:24,839 of Click bait because the title has 1135 00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:27,060 nothing to do with what the book is but 1136 00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,109 sex secrets of the Black magicians 1137 00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,119 exposed which has nothing to do with sex 1138 00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:39,660 Secrets or black magic but it is a a 1139 00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:40,920 book about 1140 00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,300 um how we look at the world 1141 00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:45,119 philosophically and yes this um 1142 00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:48,599 gentleman who wrote this who uh 1143 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,819 has a compass and I'm going to try to 1144 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,319 hold this up the compass I don't know 1145 00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:54,420 people can see but you've got like art 1146 00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:59,099 you know religion science feeling like 1147 00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:01,020 the the means of thought and the ways 1148 00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,500 that we perceive and interact with them 1149 00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:07,079 and this is kind of where I'm at now 1150 00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,579 like you know religion is between 1151 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,440 thinking and intuition artists between 1152 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,960 feeling and intuition science is between 1153 00:47:19,309 --> 00:47:15,000 sensation and thinking 1154 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,319 like and we a lot of the time I think 1155 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,020 when we do this stuff like we're we're 1156 00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,760 stuck in a mindset 1157 00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,460 and we want to experience it like 1158 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,140 because it's really hard like I said 1159 00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:29,760 like I can I can punch you in the face 1160 00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:31,319 of geometry I can't promise an 1161 00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:33,000 imminent's experience 1162 00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:34,740 um even though 1163 00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:37,500 um you know when women alerts does wufo 1164 00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,240 and we try to summon 1165 00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,819 um aerial beings to visit us on 1166 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:43,500 Wednesday nights when that was going on 1167 00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:46,140 it's on Hiatus but that's like I can't 1168 00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,660 guarantee like a flying saucer is going 1169 00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:51,839 to come down a gray comes out high fives 1170 00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,819 you and then he's like you good you got 1171 00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,119 it enough we good all right and he's off 1172 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:02,270 I think I'd also think 1173 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880 um 1174 00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,040 I kind of think sometimes when I think 1175 00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:06,000 about 1176 00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:08,040 um like people get that and it kind of 1177 00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:09,960 this is something I said on another show 1178 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,880 like it breaks it breaks their brain so 1179 00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,920 it's better to like 1180 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,720 um 1181 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,480 go outside and try to like leave cookies 1182 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,180 for the over the aliens to start with 1183 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,880 like to switch your mind into the point 1184 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,740 like you don't want to you want to be a 1185 00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,900 little like what what does the dude say 1186 00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,940 he's like I'm keeping my mind limber 1187 00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:32,339 with a a pretty heavy regimen of drugs 1188 00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:34,020 you don't need the drugs you just need 1189 00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:35,460 to you need to 1190 00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,339 um change your change the modality 1191 00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,140 you're approaching this stuff with and 1192 00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,180 the stuff you're doing 1193 00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,640 I think it's a good point that like you 1194 00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:47,520 don't need the drugs there is an Impulse 1195 00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,280 in humans very clear across time and 1196 00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:52,680 space cultures like there's an Impulse 1197 00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,800 to alter our states and there's a 1198 00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:58,079 variety of reasons for that but um you 1199 00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:59,579 know going back mentioned the Old 1200 00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,900 Testament briefly like you know they 1201 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,480 talk about scrying in there like you 1202 00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:05,880 take a silver bowl and Candlelight in a 1203 00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,280 dark room and have a candle opposite it 1204 00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,319 and then you look into the reflection 1205 00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,260 for like hours and you eventually start 1206 00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:15,480 to sort of abstractly hallucinate and 1207 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:17,220 things like that there are no drugs 1208 00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,000 involved at all Casino yeah yeah you 1209 00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:23,700 know and then all over the place I'm not 1210 00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:25,980 yeah yeah I'm not against the I'm not 1211 00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:27,780 against the drugs either that's like 1212 00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:30,359 another technology that's just not what 1213 00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:33,480 I'm doing you know that's not like 1214 00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:36,780 that's not my thing because I think 1215 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,180 um for me the technological approach is 1216 00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,180 easier for me to control myself and 1217 00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,460 mediate myself and like I can say like 1218 00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:47,280 I'm gonna get like I'm working um I 1219 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,839 started this in I need to get more 1220 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:50,880 arduinos 1221 00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,099 I never will probably feel this Arduino 1222 00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:55,740 is a little open source 1223 00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:59,160 board that does you it's like you can 1224 00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,260 program it to do stuff and that's like 1225 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,300 literally the best way I can describe it 1226 00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,180 so and you can program them to do a lot 1227 00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:08,160 of things like 1228 00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:10,200 um you can program them to be 1229 00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:12,300 programmers or other things like you can 1230 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,300 you stick uh a couple there's pins and 1231 00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,060 there's there's like inputs out and you 1232 00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:20,040 could be like this is now I got a a 1233 00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:22,140 thing to burn EP ROMs in so I can 1234 00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:23,960 program the brains for my brain machine 1235 00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,420 or I can be like you are going to 1236 00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:29,880 control I got a radio module for like 1237 00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,220 the Spirit Box and I'm like plug the 1238 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,560 radio module in you are the brains you 1239 00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:36,900 are now the brains of the radio module 1240 00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,260 and the code that I have inputted in you 1241 00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:42,180 know it's like won this code and direct 1242 00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,420 this radio module to do things but 1243 00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,640 um like using for that I think isn't 1244 00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:49,680 Arduino the heart of the Flora phone 1245 00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:54,829 no no 1246 00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,260 it's using uh well maybe it has that in 1247 00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,000 there I'm not sure 1248 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:01,440 because I bought I just bought the kit 1249 00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:04,920 symbol for that one oh yeah so the 1250 00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,099 florophone is this bio uh data 1251 00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:10,800 sonification unit which sounds well but 1252 00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:14,640 you may have seen it uh people by going 1253 00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:17,880 into nature and and making plant music I 1254 00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:18,839 don't know if people have seen that 1255 00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:22,079 before so you basically put these yes 1256 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,460 let's do this 1257 00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,500 plant let me show you 1258 00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:28,559 you like put these electrodes on the 1259 00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:30,660 plant leaves they kind of just stick to 1260 00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:34,980 it and um it like measures danges in the 1261 00:51:40,089 --> 00:51:38,280 electrical signals from the plant and it 1262 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,099 turns it into 1263 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,160 IDI MIDI uh and then you can route that 1264 00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:46,680 to like have it play piano or trumpet 1265 00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:49,380 sounds or whatever so what I did is I 1266 00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:51,000 took one of those and instead of having 1267 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,839 it make music I had to go through this 1268 00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:56,640 other thing that has all the English 1269 00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:59,819 phenomes so all the different parts of 1270 00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,640 English 1271 00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:04,400 so the idea is that the plant is 1272 00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:07,260 controlling that and actually can speak 1273 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,380 through it uh so I just was doing this 1274 00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,760 for fun because I wanted to see what it 1275 00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,559 sounded like but I made it and then my 1276 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,020 wife was like got down the floor with 1277 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,640 the plan and she's like do I water you 1278 00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:20,160 in the film she was like hockey noon and 1279 00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:22,280 I was like oh my gosh like this really 1280 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:25,079 and even for me like now I this plant 1281 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,780 has a name it told us it's named Coco 1282 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,720 and like I I treat it more like an 1283 00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,119 entity that I it's not just Decor in my 1284 00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:35,460 bathroom anymore it's this thing it's 1285 00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:38,099 like you put it on the air yeah you have 1286 00:52:42,110 --> 00:52:39,960 an ins introduction oh yeah I would love 1287 00:52:44,589 --> 00:52:42,120 to hear this 1288 00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:44,599 [Music] 1289 00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:47,819 did you hear that yeah yeah hey Coco 1290 00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:58,970 cocoa they're here listening to you wow 1291 00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:03,000 wow what kind of plant is Coco very cool 1292 00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,990 wow 1293 00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,380 so I was thinking like doing like the 1294 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,119 Spirit Box like you know basically kind 1295 00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,640 of same ideas like hearing listening for 1296 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,040 words that need to come through 1297 00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:21,839 um I've had weird experiences too I made 1298 00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,819 some tick tocks where like in my 1299 00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,980 backyard there's this plant this like uh 1300 00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:28,140 squirrel had like left a nut and was 1301 00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,700 turning to a walnut tree and my wife's 1302 00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,619 like you gotta get that out of here so I 1303 00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,599 put it on there I was like okay I'm 1304 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:35,160 gonna dig you up I'm gonna put you in 1305 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:37,140 this pot in this bucket and then it 1306 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:39,059 sounded like I said [\h__\h] it I was like 1307 00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:41,640 what and then I was like okay I started 1308 00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:44,420 digging it up I started going like 1309 00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,579 and then I gave it water and it was 1310 00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,140 sounding like it was like Yum Yum Yum 1311 00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:51,599 Yum Yum it's like people are like people 1312 00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,579 on Tick Tock it's freaked out like what 1313 00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,000 have you made yeah 1314 00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:59,040 it's really fun like I I like again like 1315 00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:00,300 you don't have to believe that this is 1316 00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:02,099 really talking to you but like 1317 00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,619 as you like interact with it it starts 1318 00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,960 to like really it changed how I treat 1319 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,059 and perceive it so 1320 00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,520 um I water it now more so 1321 00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:13,559 so anyway it's just interesting I think 1322 00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:14,700 it's a 1323 00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:17,339 an example of like what I'm more leaning 1324 00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:18,359 towards 1325 00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,619 yeah 1326 00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:21,119 Garrett would you be able to talk a 1327 00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:23,180 little bit about uh what Drew you into 1328 00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,220 your interest in this stuff uh did you 1329 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,859 have some intriguing experiences that 1330 00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,440 then motivated you to uh dive into it or 1331 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:33,300 was it uh the other way around where you 1332 00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:34,980 started looking into it and then you uh 1333 00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,380 started having these neat 1334 00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,119 you mean like Paranormal stuff in 1335 00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:41,520 general is that yeah 1336 00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,380 well I guess it's a good combination 1337 00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:45,900 yeah I mean I was terrified as a kid 1338 00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,300 about all this oh into my 20s terrified 1339 00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,599 about this really I didn't have uh 1340 00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,599 curtains on my windows as a kid and so I 1341 00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:56,880 saw sightings in like you know the alien 1342 00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:59,940 peeking through the window just like 1343 00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:02,880 terrified me uh I actually met the 1344 00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:04,859 director from the first season of the 1345 00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:07,020 signs recently and I was like you ruined 1346 00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:08,540 my childhood 1347 00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:12,240 he just laughed at me but like um it was 1348 00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,300 like I didn't know how to deal with it 1349 00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,220 like it freaked me out and then I you 1350 00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:19,920 know I read communion and uh moth and 1351 00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:22,619 and actually helped me because it made 1352 00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,540 me see it 1353 00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:26,520 um I still had Mothman just thinking of 1354 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,460 NADA so like nuts and bolts 1355 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:32,880 and I think recently I I was talking to 1356 00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,880 my wife about this and she was she said 1357 00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,500 um you really like to scare yourself 1358 00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:39,480 with all this stuff I'm like no I do not 1359 00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,540 I this stuff you know sometimes it 1360 00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:44,220 really freaks me out I do not like it 1361 00:55:48,609 --> 00:55:46,800 it's like you're right like you just 1362 00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:48,619 freak you out she's like I think maybe 1363 00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:51,480 you you like make these tick tocks and 1364 00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,339 go after this stuff because then you can 1365 00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:55,380 tell the story about it and control it a 1366 00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,760 little bit better like control the 1367 00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:57,839 narrative 1368 00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:00,180 and so I and I think that is it I think 1369 00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:03,660 I it makes me feel more in control of it 1370 00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,599 if I can like help shape the the story 1371 00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,579 of it instead of it like totally being 1372 00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,079 out of control I don't know how to deal 1373 00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,480 with it and I can't like when that that 1374 00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:14,339 person had that dream about me that 1375 00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:16,920 actually set me off because I did not 1376 00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,859 know how to explain that and I I I I I 1377 00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:22,440 had to like turn it into like a story 1378 00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,859 like okay like maybe because I don't 1379 00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,720 know how that else that could have 1380 00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:28,559 happened 1381 00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,220 so um anyway I think like for me that's 1382 00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:34,440 why I engage with it because there's a 1383 00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:36,540 lot of fear about it and I don't want to 1384 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,099 be scared 1385 00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,200 oh man I love Kings 1386 00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:43,380 [Laughter] 1387 00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:46,680 yeah and I think that's why I go more 1388 00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:47,640 like 1389 00:56:59,210 --> 00:56:56,099 uh more playful way because it helps me 1390 00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,220 like manage I guess 1391 00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,480 um 1392 00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,160 I don't know 1393 00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:04,380 I think I'm having fun especially the 1394 00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:07,500 tech stuff that it's a fun way to deal 1395 00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,300 with this kind of thing and like do it 1396 00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:12,059 more artfully I think 1397 00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,559 um I could show you something else I 1398 00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:14,940 made this stuff 1399 00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:18,540 oh yeah I made the ham radio antenna 1400 00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,280 with like PVC pipe and um 1401 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:25,079 tape measures 1402 00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:27,720 uh did I put Chris I put a crystal on it 1403 00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:33,770 yeah totally 1404 00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:36,059 I got I had heard that you can actually 1405 00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,059 uh I have a ham radio license but and 1406 00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:41,119 one of the reasons 1407 00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:47,750 what's your what's your call today 1408 00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:51,720 what's your call K1 Lea kilo one Lima 1409 00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:54,119 Echo Alpha I have a vanity sign 1410 00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,910 but I heard that you could like bounce a 1411 00:58:04,329 --> 00:58:03,359 signal off the moon and have it come 1412 00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:04,339 back 1413 00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,800 yes that I was like I gotta do this I 1414 00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:09,300 have a story here actually one of my 1415 00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,800 ex-boyfriends 1416 00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:13,200 um uh Matt Crick spoke at Defcon for a 1417 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:14,760 couple years about doing the imbalance 1418 00:58:18,049 --> 00:58:16,440 technology 1419 00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,059 um because he was super super into that 1420 00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:19,980 he's a hand as well 1421 00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:20,760 um 1422 00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,660 hmm 1423 00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,480 what's the way like what's the length of 1424 00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:26,700 the wavelengths on the ham radio just 1425 00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:27,660 curious 1426 00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:29,400 does anybody know 1427 00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:32,520 there's all kinds of different uh it's a 1428 00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:35,220 variety of uh yeah like where you're 1429 00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,859 allowed to yeah and your license gets 1430 00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,660 you like different access certain 1431 00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:41,359 different rights 1432 00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:44,640 so like I just have the lowest level but 1433 00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:51,540 you have a technician yeah nice but yeah 1434 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,200 um 1435 00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,180 that's cool I heard someone I actually 1436 00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:56,819 tell me too with they were basically 1437 00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,099 doing kind of what I'm doing with the uh 1438 00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:02,640 the floor for the plant talker but like 1439 00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:04,380 basically this 1440 00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:06,119 I can't remember what it's called but if 1441 00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:07,799 you point it at you could Point At The 1442 00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,900 Moon And it Chang it picks up the 1443 00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:11,760 fluctuations in the light from the Moon 1444 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,859 and I was like whoa I want to figure out 1445 00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:15,900 how to turn that into 1446 00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:18,780 you know midi so that I make the yeah 1447 00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,180 the moon talk to me and like actually 1448 00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:23,700 talk to them how witchy is that to like 1449 00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,059 listen to what the movie was to say yeah 1450 00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:29,280 I'm gonna I'm gonna say that's part of 1451 00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:31,079 it though too like 1452 00:59:36,049 --> 00:59:34,380 um like doing stuff like that is just 1453 00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:36,059 rad 1454 00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:38,579 and I I think 1455 00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:40,020 um 1456 00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:41,880 it makes me feel better about like how 1457 00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,220 I'm spending my time 1458 00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:47,520 like just you know like I'm gonna like 1459 00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:50,339 do some mad scientist stuff and yeah so 1460 00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,020 and like not just stare at a computer 1461 00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:55,799 screen or a phone yeah like like not 1462 00:59:58,569 --> 00:59:56,819 viewing everything through the 1463 01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:58,579 intermediary of a screen 1464 01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:01,319 well there's still I'm still I always 1465 01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,900 have like I think um I always have the 1466 01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:05,880 instructions up on a screen so I'm like 1467 01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:07,500 I'm always doing this the way my 1468 01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:09,780 workshop is set up I gotta I gotta move 1469 01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:12,180 things around a little bit but yeah 1470 01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:13,619 um I don't know I'm just like just part 1471 01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:15,540 of me that's like and being a wizard is 1472 01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:16,500 cool 1473 01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,859 and that is motivation that should also 1474 01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:21,839 be motivation enough 1475 01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:25,380 um to to do it like be 1476 01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,240 um reconstruct build yourself an 1477 01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:30,000 identity as somebody that does like the 1478 01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,099 strange and impossible and then go do it 1479 01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,500 and just be like at least you feel 1480 01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:36,780 better yeah well at least like feels 1481 01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:39,000 good effectively actively participate in 1482 01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:40,740 the experience of reality right like 1483 01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:42,780 that's what I always think about when I 1484 01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,339 think about like doing meditation work 1485 01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:46,799 or dream work or 1486 01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,380 um imaginal work or breath work like any 1487 01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,839 of this to me feels like directly 1488 01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:53,940 experiencing reality 1489 01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,980 um in and being able to shape and engage 1490 01:01:00,530 --> 01:00:58,740 with it in ways that aren't like I said 1491 01:01:02,329 --> 01:01:00,540 like mediated through a screen which is 1492 01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:02,339 a pretty reductionist way of saying 1493 01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:04,380 basically like not being dictated by 1494 01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:06,059 algorithms 1495 01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,619 um 1496 01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:10,799 I during the pandemic we started doing 1497 01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:13,559 uh we'll show and I don't know 1498 01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,480 Oh yeah talk to us about this there's on 1499 01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:17,520 my list of questions to ask you 1500 01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:20,940 so yeah it's about over a year ago 1501 01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:23,400 um our friend made Lynn 1502 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:25,380 posted like oh I'm reading the Mothman 1503 01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,140 and it says in here that John Kiel says 1504 01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:30,059 like Wednesday at 10 pm is the best time 1505 01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,339 to see a UFO statistically at the time 1506 01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:34,440 and we're like well let's try that let's 1507 01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,079 everyone go outside you know and then it 1508 01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:39,660 and I had this experience doing that but 1509 01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:42,540 like whoa It's like nice to go outside 1510 01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:46,020 at night and like it's so nice yes and 1511 01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:48,299 like not be on my screen and like you 1512 01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:50,040 know and like and get freaked out a 1513 01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:51,780 little bit oh but that's just a raccoon 1514 01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:53,700 you know and that's the experience of a 1515 01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:55,980 lot of people is like you're frogs you 1516 01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,000 know like then they're like really 1517 01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:58,799 excited about that 1518 01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:01,079 um and it's like a really nice time 1519 01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:03,720 every week to just do this like ritual 1520 01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:05,339 thing to go outside and just like look 1521 01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:08,640 at the stars and like uh it's I know 1522 01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,440 it's like maybe I'm getting old or 1523 01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:12,960 something and dorky but I really love it 1524 01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:15,000 and it's cool to like engage with them 1525 01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,579 and like think about you know ostensibly 1526 01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:19,200 you're looking for UFOs but there's so 1527 01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:21,000 much stuff that is happening every time 1528 01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:23,040 we do that like these are like what's 1529 01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:26,040 that's star you know like 1530 01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:27,960 um what is the mythology behind that 1531 01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:29,819 what in to know that people have been 1532 01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:31,319 like making up stories about the 1533 01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:33,000 constellations and the Stars throughout 1534 01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:34,740 time and like you're part of that now 1535 01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:38,160 and we've been uh so every week we do 1536 01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:40,140 this we go out and we do like a little 1537 01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,579 pre-show usually 1538 01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,920 um we were doing that 1539 01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,599 um and we do experiments and then we all 1540 01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:48,359 go out after afterwards and we were 1541 01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:50,940 trying to do like create new mythologies 1542 01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:52,920 about constellations and using like 1543 01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,319 divination and like going into Altered 1544 01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:57,960 States to like uh 1545 01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:00,359 to to do that like we create our own 1546 01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:02,700 myths about the Stars if we want 1547 01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,500 um they're there for us to use and it's 1548 01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:06,540 been really fun especially during the 1549 01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,579 pandemic it was like an amazing 1550 01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:12,000 like group activity we did that through 1551 01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:14,760 through like just like this uh stream 1552 01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:15,660 yard 1553 01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,839 um and it was great it was a really 1554 01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,819 we were trying to do also experiments 1555 01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,559 that everyone could do at home at the 1556 01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,480 same time so it wasn't just us 1557 01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,640 performing for people it was like a 1558 01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:28,319 group thing 1559 01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,980 um 1560 01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:31,020 yeah it was fun 1561 01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:32,339 we're taking a little break because I'm 1562 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:36,890 yeah I'm gonna say 1563 01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:40,020 um just you know what I I the closest I 1564 01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:41,880 can get in instant spiritual experience 1565 01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:44,220 is you can go somewhere clear and stare 1566 01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:45,900 up at the night sky and see the stars 1567 01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:47,940 like that's my background as a shot I 1568 01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:50,640 took out in the country 1569 01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,240 um I just always feel better and somehow 1570 01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:56,579 uh worry peace and just reminding myself 1571 01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:58,319 that you know the rest of this stuff is 1572 01:04:02,809 --> 01:04:00,180 out there 1573 01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:02,819 um it's not just like my job and my 1574 01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:05,400 stress and like yes you know like a 1575 01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,400 PowerPoint I have to get for somebody by 1576 01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:10,319 the end of the week 1577 01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:13,500 um so I do think like I do think 1578 01:04:16,990 --> 01:04:15,180 um 1579 01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:17,000 just engaging 1580 01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:20,339 with it like that you know even if you 1581 01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,599 don't even if you're not up to the point 1582 01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:23,220 of like I'm gonna create new mythologies 1583 01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:27,359 although again badass wizard stuff 1584 01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:30,599 um go out and like just like connect a 1585 01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:32,700 little bit at first 1586 01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,500 um connect cautiously connect with the 1587 01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:36,720 raccoons in the backyard but uh 1588 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:39,000 definitely connect with the Stars 1589 01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,040 I was trying to do actually some 1590 01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,720 divination with the Stars just by like 1591 01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,640 closing my eyes and like finding one and 1592 01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:46,559 then finding out what its name is asking 1593 01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,839 a question and then like okay what what 1594 01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:50,880 star is that what's its history and you 1595 01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:53,880 yeah like tarot cards that is you know 1596 01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,220 right there and and like it has that 1597 01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:57,599 thing like even if you're just playing 1598 01:05:02,030 --> 01:04:59,400 but you learn about you actually 1599 01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,040 physically learn about that that star or 1600 01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:03,599 whatever and that 1601 01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,380 um 1602 01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:06,000 I mean a lot of that is what I like 1603 01:05:09,549 --> 01:05:07,740 about all this paranormal stuff too is 1604 01:05:12,250 --> 01:05:09,559 like digging into the history of a place 1605 01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:12,260 and and like like 1606 01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:15,540 readingoldnewspapers.com articles and uh 1607 01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:16,980 talking to people there's all these 1608 01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,599 other things if you just kind of push 1609 01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:20,880 into it I think 1610 01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,339 um that come with us 1611 01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,200 come with the territory 1612 01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:27,299 well you know there's a long history 1613 01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:28,980 like uh I thought it was it was 1614 01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:30,660 Aristotle I think that the fine I mean 1615 01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:33,240 was Plato the uh human is the political 1616 01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:35,000 animal right where like our brains are 1617 01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:38,099 hardwired to towards social activities 1618 01:05:42,589 --> 01:05:40,140 that's sort of like the core nature of 1619 01:05:43,970 --> 01:05:42,599 our survival over time and it makes 1620 01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:43,980 sense like we've talked about this 1621 01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:45,540 before on the show how looking up at the 1622 01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,700 stars there's the seven wanders right 1623 01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:49,440 and those are the the gods and the name 1624 01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:51,000 of the planets those you know people 1625 01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,460 looked up and attributed human qualities 1626 01:05:59,150 --> 01:05:56,480 to uh the objects that they could see 1627 01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,160 non-human intelligences above us who 1628 01:06:03,530 --> 01:06:01,440 actually came down to earth and uh 1629 01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:03,540 hybridized with humans you know the 1630 01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:05,819 stories remain the same 1631 01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:07,980 um and it's it's the the nature of 1632 01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:10,920 humanizing those phenomena then turning 1633 01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:13,079 them into a story the stories about 1634 01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:14,940 humans is what humans can remember and 1635 01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:17,339 so like if the position of the Stars 1636 01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:19,260 determines when you plant or when you 1637 01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:21,240 harvest that's critical information for 1638 01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:23,099 you to remember so it's pretty neat that 1639 01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,559 we're sort of carrying that on now and 1640 01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:28,079 you know the biggest feature being the 1641 01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,380 the community and so um like Jay and 1642 01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:33,299 Garrett I love it if you guys would both 1643 01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,440 of you would be able to talk a little 1644 01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:36,720 bit about uh how you came together and 1645 01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:38,520 started building up this uh this 1646 01:06:43,309 --> 01:06:40,619 community that you have uh liminal Earth 1647 01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:43,319 uh what what brought that uh you know 1648 01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:49,789 well uh well we started I started uh 1649 01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:53,460 that uh with my friend Jeremy uh back in 1650 01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:55,319 2018 1651 01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:57,180 um when we were living in Seattle and 1652 01:07:01,609 --> 01:06:58,740 Seattle went through all these changes 1653 01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:01,619 because Amazon was growing and 1654 01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:04,380 and we were like really we were feeling 1655 01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:06,839 kind of bumming about it and we decided 1656 01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,720 to like make like kind of like a Tolkien 1657 01:07:14,450 --> 01:07:11,640 Lord of the Rings style map of Seattle 1658 01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:14,460 like the magical areas that we felt were 1659 01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:17,099 changing and so we put like places that 1660 01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:19,020 we had weird experiences we put like the 1661 01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:20,900 hell mouth is like where Amazon 1662 01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,400 headquarters is that was kind of how it 1663 01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,680 started and then I put it up on Facebook 1664 01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:27,599 and I was like anyone have any weird 1665 01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:29,400 places in Seattle they want to add to 1666 01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:31,319 this and people just like started 1667 01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:33,780 sharing all their weird experiences and 1668 01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:36,119 like you know not just like I saw a post 1669 01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,500 here but like 1670 01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:39,599 having these kind of like profound 1671 01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:42,359 experiences uh all kinds of varieties 1672 01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,240 sometimes like finding a bag of hair on 1673 01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:46,799 the bus or something 1674 01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,799 um but that's how it kind of grew we 1675 01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:51,359 would just like started collecting it as 1676 01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:53,460 like a folklore project I was just like 1677 01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:56,280 collecting people's store and it's grew 1678 01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:58,619 and grew and we expanded into the whole 1679 01:08:02,569 --> 01:07:59,819 earth 1680 01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:02,579 um so now it's liminal Earth 1681 01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:04,920 yeah and so you know we have a little 1682 01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,119 Discord community and that's where I met 1683 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,760 Jason and we there's like a there's a 1684 01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,260 whole like liminal Tech Channel where 1685 01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:12,480 you talk about weird projects we're 1686 01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:14,099 building and all sharing our stuff 1687 01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,900 because I think you know there's the 1688 01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:18,120 spirit amongst all this 1689 01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,100 not wanting to like gatekeep that kind 1690 01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,620 of stuff and like just kind of make it 1691 01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,600 more accessible all of this more 1692 01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:26,339 accessible to people 1693 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:28,980 um and not like behind a paywall 1694 01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:32,880 yeah I I saw you I saw um liminal Earth 1695 01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,179 stuff on on Twitter with the map and the 1696 01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:39,120 uh the Oracle deck 1697 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:41,219 oh yeah um yeah the Oracle of the 1698 01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,259 hypogeum and people doing that somebody 1699 01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:45,480 was doing like I'll do draw you like a 1700 01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:46,980 couple cards from that and I was like 1701 01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:50,520 hey do it for me and then yeah it's just 1702 01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,179 um 1703 01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,279 it's a lot of like here it says a lot of 1704 01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,859 hangout on Discord and just chatting and 1705 01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:57,839 like sometimes it's slow sometimes we're 1706 01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:00,060 all like like I was thinking of that 1707 01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:01,980 like when we did the uh the Christmas 1708 01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:04,380 Box this one the Spirit Box thing when 1709 01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:06,420 you first figured that out but that just 1710 01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:08,819 came from like you and me and I think AP 1711 01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,100 strange and some other folks just kind 1712 01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:12,960 of Vanessa and some other people just 1713 01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:14,580 being like hey what if we do this well 1714 01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:15,960 what if it does somebody else like what 1715 01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:18,420 if it does this or what if you know and 1716 01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:19,799 it's like all right let's see if we 1717 01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,060 could Garrett's like I'll figure it out 1718 01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:23,580 if I can make it you know and it was 1719 01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,660 just 1720 01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,440 um 1721 01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,600 going that way or the same thing where I 1722 01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:29,100 was like I'm going to make this brain 1723 01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:32,219 machine who's in like who wants to get a 1724 01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:33,839 punched in the face by geometry because 1725 01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:36,900 like for me as a guy to order the moq on 1726 01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:40,199 boards was like six so it was like who 1727 01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,100 will be the who will volunteer 1728 01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:47,279 and uh 1729 01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:50,699 yeah it's um I kind of feel like that's 1730 01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:52,440 like I'm gonna be like again sort of 1731 01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:56,160 like pour one out for pre- uh Elon Musk 1732 01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:57,360 Twitter 1733 01:10:06,189 --> 01:10:00,540 um as bad as we thought Jack was uh he 1734 01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,290 I mean I agree entirely that Elon Musk 1735 01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:11,520 is a very problematic figure uh was 1736 01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:12,900 there something specifically he did that 1737 01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,480 uh interfered with uh with with your 1738 01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:17,040 your stuff on there 1739 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,540 I just feel like there was a good 1740 01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:20,760 Community there is still people in there 1741 01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:23,880 uh that's like you know people 1742 01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:25,140 with 1743 01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:27,179 not you know into this kind of thing 1744 01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:29,100 like blending all the stuff we're 1745 01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,659 talking about 1746 01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:32,280 um and especially Jeremy my friend 1747 01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:34,260 Jeremy who started the map with me was 1748 01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:36,659 really into Twitter but like we've 1749 01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,820 decided to not use it anymore like we 1750 01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:40,560 couldn't deal with it anymore 1751 01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:43,860 um so it's a bummer because there was we 1752 01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,199 felt really part of we love all those 1753 01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:48,360 people that are there and that's kind of 1754 01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:49,320 gone 1755 01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:50,280 um 1756 01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,219 yeah yeah different shift 1757 01:10:58,689 --> 01:10:55,739 I would say I mean the the paid blue 1758 01:11:02,270 --> 01:10:58,699 checks sort of cost my opinion the 1759 01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:02,280 percentage of knobs to multiply on there 1760 01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,060 and it's just like sometimes 1761 01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,520 um 1762 01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,960 it's it's just like 1763 01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:12,000 God this is like very 1764 01:11:16,729 --> 01:11:13,620 um it's just like the the atmosphere 1765 01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:16,739 changed and you have like a lot of like 1766 01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,520 a lot of knobs in your mentions and I 1767 01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,860 think again that was kind of like 1768 01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:23,520 um 1769 01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:25,620 like right when that was also like when 1770 01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,199 UFO Twitter got like bad 1771 01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,360 you know I mean it's always been bad 1772 01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:33,060 it's just gotten worse yeah you could 1773 01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:34,980 always like no matter how big the fire 1774 01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:38,480 is you can always pour gas on it like 1775 01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,239 it's kind of like in there doing that 1776 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,480 but uh I know like limit alerts on on 1777 01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:47,520 um you guys are on Mastodon 1778 01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:49,620 all the time 1779 01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,580 yeah um which NASA Don's in its own its 1780 01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,199 own thing kind of 1781 01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,199 um I have to get you on Blue Sky 1782 01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:00,239 oh yeah we've been I haven't looked into 1783 01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:03,780 that one yet I'm I keep trying 1784 01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:06,360 you know I I like it it's very in-group 1785 01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:08,340 like I was one of the very for as like 1786 01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,719 in the first thousand people on the 1787 01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:11,219 platform 1788 01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:12,000 um 1789 01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:13,739 it's 1790 01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:14,400 um 1791 01:12:18,850 --> 01:12:16,739 it has a very good vibe right now but I 1792 01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,860 will also say that it has a very 1793 01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:21,780 laissez-faire approach to moderation and 1794 01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,060 that kind of frees each absolutism is 1795 01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,219 usually like the first cancer cell that 1796 01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:34,010 yes it's good now we'll see how it is 1797 01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:36,600 soon I appreciate the ability to tailor 1798 01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:38,460 algorithms 1799 01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,219 um and some of it's more uh not just 1800 01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:43,199 when I say user friendly I mean more 1801 01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,040 like 1802 01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:46,620 not just in an intuitive interface sense 1803 01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:48,600 but just sort of how it considers the 1804 01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:51,000 users of its products 1805 01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:53,460 um or the users of the platform 1806 01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,060 um but uh I like it I I it seems to me 1807 01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:59,040 to have the appropriate blend between 1808 01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:01,560 the distribution and Federation that 1809 01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:04,020 Mastodon has with the kind of ease of 1810 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:06,840 setup and interface that Twitter has so 1811 01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,460 making the leap to the new platform 1812 01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:09,960 really isn't too much of a learning 1813 01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:13,199 curve that's you know I I will say this 1814 01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:16,260 though I'm I'm not that into it 1815 01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,739 um somehow Twitter tried here's here's 1816 01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:21,780 something that is really it's like as 1817 01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,460 much as people like Twitter is like the 1818 01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:24,960 hell mouth 1819 01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:27,480 um somehow whatever Twitter's algorithm 1820 01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:30,420 was at one point did bring the friendos 1821 01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:32,940 together yeah like when Garrett and I 1822 01:13:38,030 --> 01:13:35,699 like a lot of people you could talk 1823 01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,040 about like one of my best friends now I 1824 01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:41,520 literally was just like I am going to go 1825 01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,820 see the Misfits on their second reunion 1826 01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:47,159 show who's going with me and some dude 1827 01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,500 that's local and I was like okay man 1828 01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,600 let's go see if um let's go like hang 1829 01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,280 out and see each other we can feel each 1830 01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:55,199 other out for being a serial killer and 1831 01:13:57,890 --> 01:13:56,760 if that's good we'll like go to the show 1832 01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,900 and that guy's one of my best friends 1833 01:14:00,610 --> 01:13:59,820 now and 1834 01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,620 um 1835 01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:04,080 somehow Blue Sky doesn't have that blue 1836 01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,300 sky is like big chunks of Twitter moved 1837 01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:07,679 over but if you weren't in that chunk 1838 01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:09,540 like it does not have there's not enough 1839 01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:11,580 weirdos on Blues yeah it's all teapot 1840 01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:12,860 people mostly 1841 01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:16,380 what does teapot mean it's like it's 1842 01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:18,179 basically it stands for this part of 1843 01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,100 Twitter but explicitly is talking about 1844 01:14:26,050 --> 01:14:22,560 this like Niche community on Twitter I'm 1845 01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:26,060 like the UFO person on teapot 1846 01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:28,980 I thought it was like a variation of 1847 01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:30,600 thought like it was like this like 1848 01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,100 because it's a lot of I see a lot of 1849 01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:33,600 self-proclaimed teapot people 1850 01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,310 like no culture War stuff non-pot 1851 01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:43,320 non-political to some degree or another 1852 01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:45,659 um I mean I like so I only started 1853 01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:47,159 really posting on Twitter about a year 1854 01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,780 ago and it was because I was so totally 1855 01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:51,060 dispossessed like I left my job left my 1856 01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:52,739 relationship 1857 01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:54,659 um was living a completely itinerant 1858 01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:55,980 life and I just started like posting 1859 01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:58,920 like crazy to try to make friends and 1860 01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:59,940 um 1861 01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:01,620 I have I've had like an amazing year on 1862 01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,440 Twitter like I I will forever be angry 1863 01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:06,239 at Elon Musk for destroying what to me 1864 01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,860 seemed like a really great positive 1865 01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,080 thing like I made so many friends I met 1866 01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,199 my husband on Twitter like it's like 1867 01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:15,060 Twitter Twitter is it man that is the 1868 01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:16,560 ultimate dating site without being a 1869 01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:17,780 dating site 1870 01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:20,820 yes I only know a bunch of freaks on 1871 01:15:28,689 --> 01:15:21,320 Twitter 1872 01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:32,750 I mean I think it's look a couple of 1873 01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:34,199 years ago I was starting to get like 1874 01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:36,120 like full disclosure it worked in 1875 01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,500 algorithmic marketing and marketing 1876 01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:39,120 science so I've literally led the teams 1877 01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:40,980 designing the the platforms and tools 1878 01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,800 that deliver like relevant or frankly 1879 01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:45,600 exploitative advertising at relevant 1880 01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,940 times to users I'm pretty familiar with 1881 01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:49,679 how all these systems work both on 1882 01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:52,140 Facebook Google Instagram Twitter or 1883 01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:53,400 whatever 1884 01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:55,380 um and a few years ago I started getting 1885 01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:56,940 very serious about 1886 01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,640 um trying to uh remove the extractive 1887 01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,560 attention economy from my life so like 1888 01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,840 trying to really get rid of these tools 1889 01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,580 that were basically just hollowing out 1890 01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,140 my Consciousness and the consciousness 1891 01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:09,840 of so many other people around me 1892 01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:12,960 um and what I will say about Twitter 1893 01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,040 um just like I'll say about Instagram 1894 01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,600 just like I'll say about any of these 1895 01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,480 other platforms is if you take a 1896 01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,400 proactive approach and sort of pruning 1897 01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:22,320 your engagement and who you follow and 1898 01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,120 you're also not shy about blocking and 1899 01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:25,920 muting people they're actually still 1900 01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:27,659 Pleasant experiences but you have to 1901 01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:29,699 take this like very intentional effort 1902 01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:32,219 to curate your own experience because if 1903 01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:35,400 you don't the freaking Tech bro and like 1904 01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:39,239 the Salesforce Tower in San Francisco uh 1905 01:16:42,169 --> 01:16:40,620 is gonna make the decisions about what 1906 01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,179 you should see for you and that's 1907 01:16:45,530 --> 01:16:43,920 unpleasant like that never leads to a 1908 01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:45,540 good place 1909 01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:47,880 the thing about Twitter is is like 1910 01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:51,540 everybody on any side of any argument is 1911 01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,060 confronted daily with so many bad faith 1912 01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:55,920 arguments that just leaves everyone on 1913 01:16:59,709 --> 01:16:58,380 edge and I think that's why that like 1914 01:17:03,649 --> 01:16:59,719 it's 1915 01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,659 like zero to hostile so quickly oh yeah 1916 01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:06,000 it's like a binary it's it's just like I 1917 01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:09,000 get it because like like I said we're 1918 01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,159 all getting it you know and like I can 1919 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:13,320 speak specifically to UFO Twitter or the 1920 01:17:16,669 --> 01:17:14,640 Skeptics and the Believers are 1921 01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,679 constantly being bombarded by bad faith 1922 01:17:21,169 --> 01:17:18,900 arguments so like 1923 01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:21,179 I see people out there genuinely trying 1924 01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:22,980 to have conversations even across that 1925 01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:25,679 divide and but like you know everybody's 1926 01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,060 got their eye on everybody else because 1927 01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:29,280 it's a you know inevitably gonna turn 1928 01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:31,380 into like a gotcha moment so I I think 1929 01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,780 everybody it really facilitates being at 1930 01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,760 each other's throats yeah it also 1931 01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:37,440 doesn't helps like UFO Twitter which is 1932 01:17:40,669 --> 01:17:39,179 already super paranoic it's really prone 1933 01:17:42,350 --> 01:17:40,679 to those like I see a comment from the 1934 01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,360 earth I would never date on Twitter I 1935 01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:44,159 don't know I just don't date UFO Twitter 1936 01:17:49,209 --> 01:17:46,500 I had a great dating life on Twitter I 1937 01:17:55,130 --> 01:17:49,219 just didn't touch the UFO people like 1938 01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,990 I'm still there I mean I've tried to 1939 01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,100 leave a couple times but I'm better too 1940 01:18:04,189 --> 01:18:01,920 that's a yeah yeah everything the thing 1941 01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:04,199 of it is I'm out they pull me back in 1942 01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,040 yeah you get you get the news there 1943 01:18:11,649 --> 01:18:10,080 first you know what I mean I used to 1944 01:18:14,030 --> 01:18:11,659 feel that way 1945 01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:14,040 but like Nick I always check your 1946 01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,440 replies I checked these replies like I 1947 01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,480 just like seeing how people comment and 1948 01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:20,159 engage with different things it's 1949 01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:22,260 definitely parasocial right it takes the 1950 01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:24,780 force of having you know I don't you 1951 01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:27,120 know I don't talk to you guys very much 1952 01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:29,880 directly but I like seeing your comments 1953 01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:32,100 and your thoughts on things 1954 01:18:43,010 --> 01:18:41,209 I've been trying to use uh so Vanessa 1955 01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:43,020 who's come on here apparently she 1956 01:18:49,490 --> 01:18:45,420 started weirdo.network so that's like a 1957 01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:49,500 acid on instance and uh I just wish that 1958 01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:51,179 all my friends were there because like 1959 01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,340 it was literally Vanessa's in charge of 1960 01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:56,159 it although today I I tried to fix 1961 01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,900 something and then I broke it so it's 1962 01:19:02,270 --> 01:18:59,760 kind of broken right now 1963 01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:02,280 um but I guess it feels like it's like I 1964 01:19:04,669 --> 01:19:03,480 wish it was just our friend group 1965 01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,679 because that's all I really care about 1966 01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:07,440 is all these weirdos you know 1967 01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:09,659 um and I I just don't want to 1968 01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:12,060 participate and I don't want to ever see 1969 01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,630 so yeah yeah so I just like I I don't 1970 01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:21,840 have any 1971 01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:23,699 I just want the friends that's the part 1972 01:19:27,229 --> 01:19:24,780 I care about 1973 01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:29,270 and I I do think it's kind of 1974 01:19:34,490 --> 01:19:32,219 interesting that like I I for that like 1975 01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,500 no one could come in and buy this you 1976 01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:35,760 know he couldn't come and take it away 1977 01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:37,500 like he did to Twitter you know it's 1978 01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:39,480 it's ours you know you can't come by 1979 01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:41,460 email you can't come buy this it's like 1980 01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,900 it's like owning your house versus 1981 01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:44,719 having landlords right right right 1982 01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:47,940 totally exactly also like the same thing 1983 01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:49,620 you have to do some Like Home 1984 01:19:52,910 --> 01:19:50,760 Maintenance 1985 01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:52,920 um so like right like right now all the 1986 01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:55,620 images are broken until I fix that um 1987 01:20:01,930 --> 01:19:57,780 yeah so yeah 1988 01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:05,470 you were saying that um the the weekly 1989 01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,120 viewings uh 10 p.m have been uh on hold 1990 01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:11,520 now um you've mentioned that you're uh 1991 01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:13,620 you're going uh somewhere is that right 1992 01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:14,940 or something I'm just curious if you 1993 01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:17,100 could expand on sort of your your plans 1994 01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,800 for liminal Earth and those uh those 1995 01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:21,600 viewing parties in your your Discord and 1996 01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:23,640 things like that 1997 01:20:28,689 --> 01:20:25,800 we'll play doing those again when I get 1998 01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,699 back I'm going on like a 45-day vacation 1999 01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:30,719 uh to Europe 2000 01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,540 nice um for you and so I'm gonna go try 2001 01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:36,480 to make some take some videos I've been 2002 01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:38,580 finding people on Tick Tock and 2003 01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:40,440 metronome actually has been helpful I 2004 01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:42,420 tagged all the cities I'm going to and 2005 01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:46,620 people like reached out to me um but I'm 2006 01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,300 trying to like find like you know 2007 01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:50,159 witches and Weirdos and like all the 2008 01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:53,159 weird places uh that were going over 2009 01:20:57,229 --> 01:20:55,739 there I heard that there's this um 2010 01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,239 cave I'm not sure if we're gonna be able 2011 01:21:02,630 --> 01:20:59,520 to do it there's a cave in Greece where 2012 01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:02,640 they used to like worship pan but in 2013 01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:04,920 recent and modernity people see UFOs 2014 01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:07,800 around it so I think that that is like 2015 01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,440 it's like continuing the uh that I'm 2016 01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:13,020 going to the uh I'm going to Delphi or 2017 01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:16,380 Delphi and try to uh meet up with the 2018 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:17,520 Oracle 2019 01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:25,330 [Laughter] 2020 01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:29,400 I'm excited about doing that so you know 2021 01:21:33,410 --> 01:21:31,080 that's mainly why we're taking a little 2022 01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:33,420 break just so much to do before I leave 2023 01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:35,820 and then of course coming back and we'll 2024 01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,100 start up we've been doing something I 2025 01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:39,840 didn't bring this up earlier 2026 01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:40,500 um 2027 01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:43,140 for wufo recently we've been getting 2028 01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,020 into doing using chat GPT 2029 01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:48,360 um oh cool because I because we had seen 2030 01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:50,340 I don't know if this is part of like my 2031 01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:53,219 like kind of like ADHD thing like why I 2032 01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:54,900 like it but 2033 01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:55,739 um 2034 01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:58,080 we've been I saw a thing where someone 2035 01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:02,880 has using a chat chat GPT to be the 2036 01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:06,120 dungeon master and their d games 2037 01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:10,020 interesting and so I like the idea of 2038 01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:12,600 like okay PT you are the operator 2039 01:22:18,770 --> 01:22:15,840 between us and the aliens and you're 2040 01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,780 gonna be our liaison and so you tell 2041 01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,360 this is our tools magical tools that we 2042 01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:23,760 have our divination tools you tell us 2043 01:22:27,250 --> 01:22:25,500 which one of us needs to like pull a 2044 01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:27,260 tarot card or do whatever 2045 01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:31,140 and or you know like whatever methods we 2046 01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,480 have at our disposal and then we do it 2047 01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:35,520 and then we give the results back to it 2048 01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,500 and then it uses those results to tell 2049 01:22:42,649 --> 01:22:40,320 us what that what it means like why the 2050 01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:42,659 aliens are talking to us in that way 2051 01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:43,800 um and so we're having these like 2052 01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:45,900 conversations and it's been amazing it's 2053 01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:47,640 been super fun and like helps with the 2054 01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:50,640 storytelling process it also helps with 2055 01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:53,219 um like having this outside person kind 2056 01:22:58,669 --> 01:22:56,219 of leading that's not us and it has this 2057 01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:58,679 kind of weird you know sometimes bad 2058 01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:01,800 like Chopra of you know sense of like 2059 01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:05,159 you know wisdom voice to us but uh it's 2060 01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:06,780 been really fun to engage with it in 2061 01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:08,340 that way and um 2062 01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:10,140 I don't know that's been a cool thing we 2063 01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:12,600 did and also this is another weird thing 2064 01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:15,000 hopefully we're gonna do when I get back 2065 01:23:19,550 --> 01:23:16,020 um 2066 01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:19,560 I get this idea uh I I've been hearing 2067 01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:22,739 these people doing these solo RPG games 2068 01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:26,460 like writing I swear where like 2069 01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:30,060 basically uh one of the examples is like 2070 01:23:35,209 --> 01:23:31,860 you're 2071 01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:35,219 um the shop owner at this the last tea 2072 01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:37,980 shop before someone enters the afterlife 2073 01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:40,140 and there's a character that's going to 2074 01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:41,820 come to you and roll some dice and to 2075 01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:43,020 see what kind of character it is and 2076 01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,480 like basically right and you write you 2077 01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:47,280 write to find out is what they call it 2078 01:23:51,229 --> 01:23:49,380 so you kind of like use your imagination 2079 01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:51,239 and like you learn who this character is 2080 01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:53,880 as that's such a cool idea so I was like 2081 01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:57,000 what if we went to a vacant parking lot 2082 01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:00,420 you like wrote to find out the entity 2083 01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,699 that lives in this parking lot just use 2084 01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,560 the parking lots this like liminal space 2085 01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:06,719 where you can like engage with like the 2086 01:24:11,689 --> 01:24:08,940 parking lot entity and so I asked chat 2087 01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,699 to BT he's like hey how could you be at 2088 01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,739 a parking lot and like talk to an entity 2089 01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:15,840 and it gave me this really cool idea 2090 01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:17,699 about 2091 01:24:20,630 --> 01:24:18,420 um 2092 01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,640 like looking for a car's license plate 2093 01:24:26,169 --> 01:24:23,120 and using the license plate as kind of a 2094 01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:26,179 bibliomancy so like 2095 01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:28,860 if there's an a it means like alluring 2096 01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:30,600 if there's a number after that's like 2097 01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:34,140 one so as low it's not a green you know 2098 01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,300 and then B benevolent you know so like 2099 01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:37,679 basically you can like kind of learn 2100 01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:40,800 about the like qualities of the entity 2101 01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:43,380 and it gave me all these like we you 2102 01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:44,820 know working through it we came up with 2103 01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,400 this whole like system to like have 2104 01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:49,440 nothing except a parking lot and like 2105 01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:51,540 have this kind of like playful game 2106 01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:53,640 where you meet an entity and like learn 2107 01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:56,580 about it and like learn its character 2108 01:24:59,870 --> 01:24:58,739 um anyways I'm I'm super excited about 2109 01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:59,880 that that's something I'm working on 2110 01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:02,040 right now and I want to go play it like 2111 01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,140 really bad but it's kind of the same 2112 01:25:07,729 --> 01:25:06,239 kind of world of like imagination play 2113 01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:07,739 but also 2114 01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,340 uh in my view when I do those kinds of 2115 01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:14,400 things weird stuff happens and we I have 2116 01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,620 good results so that's why I'm excited 2117 01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:18,239 to try this 2118 01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:19,020 um 2119 01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:21,239 anyways that's what I'm doing I'm using 2120 01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:23,100 chat GPT a lot for those kinds of things 2121 01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:26,280 to kind of like find connections between 2122 01:25:37,630 --> 01:25:34,149 that's that's really interesting 2123 01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:39,410 uh Lee and I have talked about this 2124 01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,980 multiple times about 2125 01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:42,000 um 2126 01:25:48,530 --> 01:25:45,239 kind of kind of new new myth being born 2127 01:25:51,050 --> 01:25:48,540 of emergent Technologies and I like we 2128 01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:51,060 see this with the telegraph uh kind of 2129 01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:53,100 paralleling the fox sisters interacting 2130 01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:55,140 with Mr splitfoot and I always thought 2131 01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:58,500 that the uh the internet itself was ripe 2132 01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:00,300 for that and we never really saw a myth 2133 01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,199 come out of it but uh I think chat gbt 2134 01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,239 might be a better candidate and we might 2135 01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:09,360 see you know maybe even after our 2136 01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:12,060 lifetimes kind of kind of myth being 2137 01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:14,340 born of that through interactions like 2138 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,400 you're describing it's really uh 2139 01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,960 it's really interesting makes me it 2140 01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:20,880 makes me want to pay closer attention 2141 01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,090 um we're coming up in the bottom of the 2142 01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,980 hour true it's a truncated show tonight 2143 01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,719 um Garrett before we wrap things up 2144 01:26:34,129 --> 01:26:33,360 where can we find you yeah 2145 01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,139 yeah 2146 01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,199 um you can our website where if you've 2147 01:26:42,370 --> 01:26:39,120 had any kind of strange experience you 2148 01:26:45,709 --> 01:26:42,380 can add it to our map that's liminal 2149 01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:45,719 l-i-m-i-n-a-l dot Earth and you can go 2150 01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:47,699 read all the kinds of stories of 2151 01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:51,120 people's strange experiences I've had 2152 01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:53,940 um so that's a main place and then I 2153 01:26:58,250 --> 01:26:55,620 recommend going to tick tock because we 2154 01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:58,260 have I think funny Tick Tock or like 2155 01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,880 weird stuff there 2156 01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:00,780 um 2157 01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,960 so it's just liminal Earth 2158 01:27:08,570 --> 01:27:06,960 um a tick tock and and yeah go check 2159 01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:08,580 that out I think that's especially 2160 01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:10,739 there's this uh pile of peeled oranges 2161 01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:12,420 that keeps appearing 2162 01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:14,940 um in this and Forest in uh Renton 2163 01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:16,260 Washington that's kind of like our big 2164 01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:19,020 thing right now so uh cool go look for 2165 01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:24,709 well good thank you 2166 01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:26,219 Thinking by tonight especially thank you 2167 01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:28,920 thank you yeah 2168 01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,260 um yeah thanks a lot yeah say good 2169 01:27:37,570 --> 01:27:32,880 evening to the uh to the plant for us 2170 01:27:37,580 --> 01:27:49,370 bye everyone bye Coco 2171 01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:51,890 all right thank you Garrett have a great 2172 01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:55,620 night yeah thank you you too yeah 2173 01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,880 you know what that kind of sounds like 2174 01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:59,280 is that startup sequence of the Nostromo 2175 01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,840 at the beginning of alien 2176 01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:02,880 when the computer starts turning on and 2177 01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:04,820 they're waking up 2178 01:28:08,649 --> 01:28:06,900 I love the sound of that that's super 2179 01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:08,659 cool 2180 01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:17,270 um yeah I'm gonna fry my brain coming up 2181 01:28:21,290 --> 01:28:18,659 pretty soon 2182 01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,300 um cool there's a guy uh speaking of 2183 01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:24,000 tick tock I I ended up uh just stumbling 2184 01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:26,940 across the tarot Museum in Nashville oh 2185 01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:28,739 yeah the guy that runs that there's 2186 01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,600 nothing he does not talk about tarot at 2187 01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:32,400 all everything he talks about is fringe 2188 01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:33,120 Tech 2189 01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:34,620 and 2190 01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,920 um one of his things is that uh hemisick 2191 01:28:42,649 --> 01:28:39,780 the Hemi Cinco every all we all know and 2192 01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,659 love doesn't work like Hemi sink 2193 01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,360 um it worked but uh it was because of 2194 01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:47,040 the magnets and the headphones and 2195 01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:49,020 really the whole thing is about magnetic 2196 01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:51,719 pulses to the brain not the audio and 2197 01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:52,920 again it's right got to get another 2198 01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,520 Arduino because he's got a um Psy 2199 01:29:01,490 --> 01:28:59,340 training machine like the commercial one 2200 01:29:03,790 --> 01:29:01,500 he was selling for like like 2201 01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:03,800 um 300 bucks but you can build your own 2202 01:29:08,570 --> 01:29:06,900 and get a thing and it's a little like 2203 01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,580 um seems like a baby God and all that 2204 01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:11,280 but um yes I'm gonna try to put that 2205 01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:13,500 together and let's check that out yeah 2206 01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:15,420 all right it's only like 50 bucks for 2207 01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:17,340 the kit and it used I don't know if they 2208 01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:18,600 still do but I know they were selling it 2209 01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:20,340 direct off the site it's on the list of 2210 01:29:24,129 --> 01:29:21,960 things I would love to build and try out 2211 01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:24,139 too 2212 01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:27,060 experience solder the [\h__\h] for me yeah 2213 01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:29,100 because I do I want to try that brain 2214 01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:31,020 machine thing so yeah I want to try it I 2215 01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:33,060 don't know 2216 01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:35,159 we should do the brain machine live on a 2217 01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:40,970 I I could build more of them actually I 2218 01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:44,639 was building the the last one is for 2219 01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:46,980 like one board left and I could do 2220 01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,460 another do another batch and just um the 2221 01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:53,280 only thing that for me I think like I 2222 01:30:00,189 --> 01:29:55,860 just have to reorder everything just get 2223 01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:02,709 yeah 2224 01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,760 it's on the geometric astral plane 2225 01:30:10,610 --> 01:30:07,620 episode where we all turn out at the 2226 01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:10,620 same time and I would have you have you 2227 01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:13,739 seen um people drink though there's a um 2228 01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,100 in Chicago Illinois there is a schnapps 2229 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:19,199 brew from wormwood called Jefferson's 2230 01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,900 malort oh yeah if you look at people 2231 01:30:26,450 --> 01:30:24,000 look at the mobile face because that's 2232 01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,460 kind of what people do when the brain 2233 01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:28,560 machine hit like if I have like I have a 2234 01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:31,139 I took a picture of I got I gave one to 2235 01:30:35,810 --> 01:30:33,540 a friend of mine who wanted to try it 2236 01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,820 and I just yes being a jerk snapped a 2237 01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:37,679 picture of her when she turned it on she 2238 01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:40,679 said never show that to anyone so 2239 01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,350 Campbell what are you up to 2240 01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:48,239 well waiting out the wildfires gotta 2241 01:30:52,189 --> 01:30:49,800 keep all the things closed but uh yeah 2242 01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:52,199 I've just been uh at my farm planting 2243 01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:54,300 every day basically otherwise I mean not 2244 01:30:58,970 --> 01:30:56,520 the last couple days but keeping busy 2245 01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:58,980 with the land the uh plant thing is 2246 01:31:02,450 --> 01:31:00,780 making me really potentially want to get 2247 01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:02,460 one of those see if the wheat plants 2248 01:31:11,209 --> 01:31:08,750 Nick what are you up to I've got um 2249 01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:11,219 this Saturday I'm playing a webcam game 2250 01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:16,940 of the old uh dead X-Files TCG or ccg 2251 01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,080 yeah what is that 2252 01:31:23,209 --> 01:31:20,880 uh collectible card game you know like 2253 01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:23,219 Pokemon magic but there was a very 2254 01:31:28,490 --> 01:31:26,340 briefly lived X-Files one in the 90s and 2255 01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:28,500 there's a small Niche Community that's 2256 01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:30,900 keeping the game alive and um making new 2257 01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,420 cards and stuff like that uh I just ran 2258 01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:36,000 into them kind of recently but I had a 2259 01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:37,380 bunch of the old cards from when I was a 2260 01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,420 kid so I'm gonna play a game on Saturday 2261 01:31:44,350 --> 01:31:41,760 and I'll share the YouTube link after 2262 01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:44,360 that's done so you guys can watch 2263 01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:47,460 aside from that I'm not doing anything 2264 01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:52,860 just chilling that sounds nice yeah Leah 2265 01:31:55,970 --> 01:31:54,600 um what am I up to 2266 01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:55,980 um probably the biggest thing is I'm 2267 01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,520 running a like basically a Mystic blue 2268 01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,159 tent Village at like what's basically a 2269 01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:04,320 regional burn coming up in the next like 2270 01:32:09,410 --> 01:32:07,620 two weeks so super excited about that uh 2271 01:32:11,090 --> 01:32:09,420 really nice will be really nice to meet 2272 01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:11,100 a bunch of people I've only talked to on 2273 01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:12,360 Twitter and online 2274 01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:14,280 um so doing that uh back in the 2275 01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,960 Northeast then heading back out to the 2276 01:32:20,930 --> 01:32:17,520 Pacific Northwest for the rest of the 2277 01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:20,940 summer so like when I'm um not [\h__\h] 2278 01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:23,340 posting on Twitter and hosting ins or 2279 01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:25,800 organizing conspiratorial cabals 2280 01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:27,540 spending most of my time right now like 2281 01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:30,540 hiking and uh with Mr Prime right 2282 01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:33,480 domestic Bliss I think I think the Earth 2283 01:32:39,770 --> 01:32:36,360 must have played The X-Files ccg 2284 01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:39,780 the past oh yeah yeah you just make a uh 2285 01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:43,020 a comment oh yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm 2286 01:32:48,490 --> 01:32:44,520 really interested in this because I 2287 01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:48,500 missed that in the day it's it's great 2288 01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:52,440 85. it is it's kind of like clue in a 2289 01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:55,320 way of course yeah you're doing yes or 2290 01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:57,000 no questions against your opponent's 2291 01:33:02,330 --> 01:32:59,840 X-File you each draw one and then um 2292 01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,340 sites and their skill checks involved 2293 01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:05,280 and it's really fun and like I said this 2294 01:33:10,490 --> 01:33:07,560 community is making new new sets right 2295 01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,500 oh that's cool simonfly you have 2296 01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:16,430 is doing a re-watch of season uh Twin 2297 01:33:22,510 --> 01:33:19,260 Peaks season three yeah the return which 2298 01:33:29,629 --> 01:33:25,790 yet I am I've been really into 2299 01:33:31,129 --> 01:33:29,639 subliminal Jihad lately this podcast uh 2300 01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:31,139 I'm not sure if I would categorically 2301 01:33:34,129 --> 01:33:32,340 recommend it but I've been working 2302 01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:34,139 through their UFO encrypted episodes 2303 01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:36,239 lots of fun they're also like long 2304 01:33:39,530 --> 01:33:38,100 episodes so like when I row or go 2305 01:33:41,209 --> 01:33:39,540 reading or hiking or whatever A lot of 2306 01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:41,219 times I'll listen it's kind of like 2307 01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:44,760 Lefty conspiranoia I don't know okay 2308 01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:48,060 cool it's it's uh I would categorize it 2309 01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:50,040 as a guilty pleasure in that sense I 2310 01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:53,400 certainly don't agree with or believe uh 2311 01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,620 necessarily their conclusions but it's 2312 01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,360 really cool listening to three hours of 2313 01:34:02,990 --> 01:33:59,040 kind of conspiratorial discussion about 2314 01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:03,000 Kenneth anger or the Mothman or whatever 2315 01:34:06,169 --> 01:34:05,460 uh what are we what are we doing next 2316 01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:06,179 week 2317 01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:10,560 CBD not sure um we might bring Vanessa 2318 01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:12,060 on next week we might just do a round 2319 01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:13,080 table 2320 01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,639 um we'll find out 2321 01:34:17,930 --> 01:34:16,320 um and then yeah might just do an open 2322 01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,940 lines show 2323 01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,400 um and then the week of the 20th uh I 2324 01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,800 will be out it's a travel day for me 2325 01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:24,480 um I think we actually may just not do a 2326 01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:26,580 broadcast that evening but um we'll find 2327 01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,460 out we'll see we'll play it by you okay 2328 01:34:33,169 --> 01:34:31,920 as always yeah folks discord's Linked In 2329 01:34:35,330 --> 01:34:33,179 the show description we'd love to see 2330 01:34:37,370 --> 01:34:35,340 you guys you can find us on Twitter 2331 01:34:40,610 --> 01:34:37,380 um we broadcast most Wednesday nights 9 2332 01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:40,620 p.m Eastern 6 p.m Pacific and uh as 2333 01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,780 always if you have guests or subject 2334 01:34:46,189 --> 01:34:44,400 recommendations please feel free to 2335 01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:46,199 reach out on Discord or on Twitter to 2336 01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:47,400 any of us 2337 01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:49,860 yeah is there anything else before I uh 2338 01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:52,139 hang up the line 2339 01:34:56,930 --> 01:34:54,780 no I think that's good yeah come jump on 2340 01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:56,940 the Discord I'm gonna I'm gonna be 2341 01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:00,800 looking for X-Files cards after this 2342 01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:03,480 uh yeah you can usually find them for 2343 01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,950 you can get singles uh there's a couple 2344 01:35:14,209 --> 01:35:11,940 singles uh aftermarket places to you 2345 01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,219 I'll I'll hook you up you guys yeah you 2346 01:35:18,370 --> 01:35:15,840 guys can talk offline about this all 2347 01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:24,530 see you bye 2348 01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:32,050 [Music] 2349 01:36:00,460 --> 01:35:55,110 foreign 2350 01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:00,470 [Music] 2351 01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:03,060 [Applause] 2352 01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:40,250 foreign